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  •  Wrong. We need to make sure that the other (3+ / 0-)
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    half stands up and demands that our laws-both legal and moral, are upheld. Screw the republican spin--how many times will we just sit back, and let them have their way?  This "compromise" is wrong-and we must fight it.

    •  Wrong! (2+ / 0-)
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      I hate this legislation as much as anyone else, but we are falling into a trap here. This is the GOP's key wedge issue for this November.  They want us to get angry, they want us to put heat on our Congressmen, and they want us to force them to vote against this legislation on the floors of Congress. And more importantly they want America to be afraid.

      In the end though it is a lose-lose proposition for the Dems whether they support the legislation or not. The GOP will use this issue to point fingers at the Dems to show that they voted against this legislation and they are the party that is "soft on terror".

      Rove has promised a media blitz in the last two weeks before the election.  You can bet this is what it is going to be all about.  Oh, and expect them to throw in a terror scare or two and some saber rattling with Iran too just to get everyone's fears up.

      What do you think "The Path to 9-11" was all about?  It wasn't about Clinton, it was about showing America that the Dems are weak on terror. It sucks, but that's exactly what is happening.

      •  As much as I hate to agree with you, (1+ / 0-)
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        I must.  We are fucked on this issue, and so are those who fall under US control.  The United States, the (former) bastion of Liberty around the world, has just sold its national soul to the expediency of electoral politics.  The Democratic Party has been, once again, out maneuvered on yet another defining issue by an administration bent upon policy at the expense of political gain.

        Wo are we.

        •  Why can't the Dems reframe this argument- (1+ / 0-)
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          discussing instead the lack of habeaus corpus, trials without seeing evidence, etc--things that are basic to our rule of law.  The American people can understand that, and not want to go down that path.  Just to cave in is a huge mistake, I think. Much of America doesn't really approve of torture; and we need to show them that this bill goes to the extreme.

          •  Because the American people (0+ / 0-)

            don't see this issue as affecting them personally.  It's too abstract a thing for most of anyone to give a rat's ass about the details.  The best that we can hope for from the Great Washed-Over is a belief that the "compromise" worked out between the White House and the Republican "mavericks" is better than what the White House wanted in the first instance.

            Face it: the Dems have no effective voice on this issue.

          •  Exactly Phil! (0+ / 0-)

            and the rightwing pundits are teaching their followers that torture only involves pulling out fingernails, etc - and extreme temperatures and sleep deprivation are OK. But the reality is that less "harsh" treatment can also deliver bogus information.

            Get the Truth - vote Democratic!

            by annefrank on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 06:26:59 PM PDT

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        •  Erratum (0+ / 0-)

          That should be political gain at the expense of policy.  Shit!

    •  This is all about politics (1+ / 0-)
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      GOTV

      Bush and Rove are trying to give "the base" a reason to vote in Nov.  The base loves seeing their cowboy president being tough on the current boogeymen.  THEY LOVE IT.

      Reid and Pelosi, et al, are 50-something days away from possibly garnering real power.  They're playing stall ball.

      The only way to repair the damage done to the Constitution and America as a whole is to get back in power.  All the polling shows it might happen this Nov.

      To quote Markos "Republicans can't govern and Democrats can't get elected."

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