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  •  Why can't we dislike both guys? (1+ / 0-)
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    michael1104

    Hugo Chavez is an arrogant tyrant that opposes any dissent and is not interested in free open debate or elections.

    That is independent of George Bush.

    He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.

    by Common Cents on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 01:43:07 PM PDT

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    •  what? (1+ / 0-)
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      peter fredson

      not interested in elections

      do you know ANYTHING about Chavez?  seriously?

      you need to start learning about the world outside of the US media filter...

      If no-one around you understands start your own revolution and cut out the middle man...

      by ResponsibleAccountable on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 01:47:14 PM PDT

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    •  don't forget!!!! (0+ / 0-)

      He was "democratically elected" ...He was "democratically elected" ...He was "democratically elected" ...He was "democratically elected" ...He was "democratically elected" ...He was "democratically elected"

      Because of course, no "democratically elected" leader can tyrannical or be wrong or target of criticism. All you have to say is he was "democratically elected", and poof! You're criticism is out the window.

      "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

      by michael1104 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 01:49:13 PM PDT

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      •  well yes really (1+ / 0-)
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        mariachi mama

        because making the world a better safer place is a slow process

        first you need to have acceptance that elections count, and that they are a method of endowing legitimacy

        only after many many cycles, once this is bedded in can you really make all the other changes necessary

        South America was the US back yard in the cold war - the legacy of anti-democratic actions lays the blame squarely at our door... so yes his democratic election is key - and we need to support him because of that

        as it is THE ONLY way of moving things forward

        If no-one around you understands start your own revolution and cut out the middle man...

        by ResponsibleAccountable on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 01:55:49 PM PDT

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        •  so (0+ / 0-)

          as long as he was democratically elected, anything he does cannot be critized? Is that what you are saying?

          "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

          by michael1104 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 01:59:35 PM PDT

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          •  i don't know let me go read what i wrote (1+ / 0-)
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            callmecassandra

            funnily enough no - i didn't say that

            straw man argument - attack some non-sequitor

            the point is not whether he can be criticized for actions... the point is that there is some legitimacy argument in his being elected and therefore dictator megalomaniacal references are kinda off-point

            If no-one around you understands start your own revolution and cut out the middle man...

            by ResponsibleAccountable on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 02:14:28 PM PDT

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            •  dictator megalomaniacal references (0+ / 0-)

              speak to his policies and tendencies, which other comments here have shown are exactly that. Bringing up the fact that he was elected does not give people the right to shield criticism (which is exactly what some people are doing) nor does it mean that he does not have autocratic tendencies, which he does. Suppression of the media and opposition (regardless of who the opposition is comprised of), electoral shennanigans, and court packing are not the actions of a true democrat, they are the actions of an autocrat.

              Not to mention the kind of company he keeps. Saying he was democratically elected everytime someone criticized him is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how he got to power (and let's not forget Saint Chavez himself attempted a coup in 1992 of the democratically elected government), it is his policies and rhetoric that make people think he is a radical authoritarian.

              "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

              by michael1104 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 02:19:47 PM PDT

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              •  name one country in the world (0+ / 0-)

                that doesn't keep bad company

                okay - you don't get a freebie with Scandanavian countries... try again

                we certainly fail that test... start with the countries ending in Stan

                If no-one around you understands start your own revolution and cut out the middle man...

                by ResponsibleAccountable on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 07:56:14 PM PDT

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