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  •  Actually, that IS the point (0+ / 0-)

    You dodge the point, though:  if a cat-lover can find (I'll repeat this to see if you can grasp it the second time around) any consistant, sustained bias in my reporting of the facts, then that's one thing and I should be taken to task for it.  Otherwise, it's so much b.s. (bad statements) to squeal that I'm reporting on cats.  

    But if you're making public statements about how much you hate cats, the bruden of proof really doesn't matter. You've given your cat-loving opponents a cudgel to use against you.

    Yes, in an ideal world. they would have to show that your reporting is influenced by your personal feelings, and if they couldn't show that, they wouldn't have a case.

    But all you have to do is look around and see how rabidly the right believes allegations of "liberal bias" in the media in the absence of any real evidence whatsoever to see that those standards don't count for much in the real world. They should, I agree, but they don't.

    All I'm saying is, if you're reporting on controversial issues and you have a well-known and strong opinion in favor of one side's argument, it is that much harder to convince your critics that you're playing it straight in your coverage. Why hand them ammunition if you don't have to?

    •  You continue to miss the point. (3+ / 0-)
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      Canadian Reader, Fabian, corvo

      And I'm not jumping on you, here, I'm just sayin' . . .  

       a  if the squealers with 'cudgels' can find any bias, any misstatements of fact, any opinion put forth as fact,   in.   the.   actual.   reporting. , then bring that out into the marketplace of ideas and let same be debated; otherwise,

       b  said reporter, and reporter's editors and publisher, should tell the Shrill Ones to go pee up a rope and, as long as they want to play Bias Police, start with Fox, clean it up and clear it out, then stop by and discuss any problems they may have with Ms. Greenhouse.  In other words:  remove the log from their collective eye, before wigging-out over the mote in Ms. Greenhouse's.

      BenGoshi
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      We're working on many levels here. Ken Kesey

      by BenGoshi on Wed Sep 27, 2006 at 05:58:34 AM PDT

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      •  No, I get the point (0+ / 0-)

        I don't think you're appreciating the reality here.

        a  if the squealers with 'cudgels' can find any bias, any misstatements of fact, any opinion put forth as fact,   in.   the.   actual.   reporting. , then bring that out into the marketplace of ideas and let same be debated; otherwise,

        In principle I agree. In practice, all the critics of the media need is an appearance of bias to convince their followers of it.

        Look, does anyone here take a report on Fox News or in the Washington Times as straight and objective? Fox could produce the most even-handed, fair and truthful report in the history of journalism, with claims checked, facts unearthed and reported and evidence shown, and most of us on the left would still suspect it of being tilted, because that is their reputation.

        You should have to show the bias affects the actual reporting for it to matter, yes. But sadly, it doesn't work that way.

        b  said reporter, and reporter's editors and publisher, should tell the Shrill Ones to go pee up a rope and, as long as they want to play Bias Police, start with Fox, clean it up and clear it out, then stop by and discuss any problems they may have with Ms. Greenhouse.  In other words:  remove the log from their collective eye, before wigging-out over the mote in Ms. Greenhouse's.

        Again, I agree. But I also believe that media outlets that really want to be taken seriously all across the political spectrum, rather than wanting to cater to one side or another, should set their standards higher than "less biased than Fox."

        Because really, that ain't saying much.

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