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  •  Yes Fight at the polls by all means yet there (7+ / 0-)

    is a deeper concern in that despite Abu Gharaib, Katrina, the phony war rationale, the horrific occupation, the tremendous debt... the country remains somnambulant. What will it take for the nation to awaken?

    "And we are here as on a darkling plain Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight, Where ignorant armies clash by night." Matthew Arnold

    by Cantinflas on Fri Sep 29, 2006 at 08:05:49 AM PDT

    •  Waking up this country from their deep (2+ / 0-)

      sleepwalking is what needs to happen. There is plenty of information out there about lying, corruption, incompetance, torture, murder, waste, fraud and cronyism yet nothing seems to make a difference. The stores are busy and the hypnotic effect of bringing home more crap has everyone sitting in front of their big screen tv's occasionally tisking but mainly just dissociated from their civic lives. They are the one we need to help storm the gates and they are asleep.

      "You needed a vehicle. The vehicle was W.M.D" Paul Wolfowitz

      by Just enough on Fri Sep 29, 2006 at 08:16:16 AM PDT

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    •  Wake them up! What will it take? When I read (0+ / 0-)

      progressive blogs and then go out on the street I can't help but think we live in parallel universes. People are shopping their patrimony and futures away.

      •  Network, network, network (0+ / 0-)

        Fear will not work for us (althoough there is now much to fear from our own government).  The most powerful thing we can do right now is to calm our friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers in order to draw them out of the entertainment/shopping bubble to look once again what the political stakes are.

        They do not yet know they have been conned and scammed and jerked around by fear.

        •  I find most people I know besides, close friends (0+ / 0-)

          and some family members, dissociated and really uninterested in events beyond their provincial needs. They  show cursory interest in discussions that require  dedication to stay in touch and informed with the politics of our nation and our world. They are surprised to hear some of what is going on but are more interested in JLo and such.

          •  And (1+ / 0-)
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            Then they will be surprised and shocked when it touches their lives personally.

            Actually, this year we are not asking much beyond go vote so that those folks in DC can be held accountable.

            My suspicion is that the ostrich behavior has to do with avoidance of anxiety about serious economic and national security issues.  "I just don't think about it."

            Reminds me of a Reagan-era semi-haiku:

            Self-manufactured naivete
            Keeps me safe,

            •  I can see anxiety as a root cause and I can (0+ / 0-)

              also see that many of the problems we now face are very complex and require thought, constant vigilance and the courage to take a position and do the work to make the change. Somewhere along the way most people drop to the shoulder.

              "And we are here as on a darkling plain Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight, Where ignorant armies clash by night." Matthew Arnold

              by Cantinflas on Fri Sep 29, 2006 at 09:26:01 AM PDT

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    •  These policies have to become real (0+ / 0-)

      We have to put a face on torture, a face on illegal detentions.  The Abu Ghraib photos did that, and the people in the pictures were court martialed.  

      The Administration has done a good job of demonizing the people it has detained, and yet they've actually tried and convicted . . .almost nobody as far as I can tell.  

      I think we can see it because we feel the threat. . .we know that if they do get serious about rounding up American citizens who don't pray facing Mecca, we'll be on the front lines.  Kos himself is probably too visible but what about thereisnospoon or Carnacki or Armando?

      Heck, they almost certainly have intelligence people assigned to monitor this blog, and maybe some to track down the real world identities of the people here.  

      We also pay attention, so we know that they are both grossly incompetent in the basics of governance and capable of evil

      For the average American, though it's just a few people who wear strange clothes and use funny writing.  They're not going to arrest Jennifer for organizing anti-war protests.  They wouldn't torture Bob just for posting on leftist blogs.  We still have elections, so how can this be a slide towards dictatorship?

      Here, I don't have to argue that torture, especially of the ones who look strange to us, does deep harm to us as a nation.  And that illegal detention, even in a place where there are hot meals and showers and Red Cross visits, destroys people's lives while their children back home grow up without them and hating the people who took their father away.

      So, I think first we need to tell the real stories of the people who have already been illegally detained and tortured, for no apparent reason except being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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