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  •  Im glad Mr Foley has your sympathy... (9+ / 0-)

    My sympathy happens to be with the children molested by this sick fuck.

    Where are the Police?

    Why hasnt Mark Foley been arrested?

    "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - MLK Jr

    by sean mykael on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 03:23:22 PM PDT

    •  It costs me nothing to have sympathy for both. (6+ / 0-)

      But it is still clear who the victims here are, and who is the Congressman.

    •  To be fair (2+ / 0-)
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      I may get some flack for saying this, but I think there's a difference between internet sex with a sixteen year old (which is the legal age of consent in many places) and physically molesting children.

      I'm not defending Foley -- but I think its necessary to make the distinction out of respect to actual children who have actually been sexually abused.


      "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." - Salvor Hardin

      by Zackpunk on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 03:30:17 PM PDT

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      •  Sorry, but internet solicitation is a crime (5+ / 0-)

        And as our pals at Dateline have discovered, where there's internet smoke, there's almost always fire.  

        Plus, we know pages were warned about this guy.  We know he took kids to dinner.  We know he offered underage kids alcohol.  My feeling is, he wouldn't have quit that fast unless there was a lot of even worse stuff not yet discovered.

        We're not talking even borderline harmless stuff here.  We're talking a longstanding criminal pattern of behavior.  A professional predator.  That, clearly, EVERYBODY knew about.  And nobody lifted a finger to stop.  It's definitely a parallel to the Catholic Preist paradigm.

        As for Foley's alleged own abuse - and most if not all pedophiles experienced abuse as kids - I feel for him.  I truly do.  But as an adult and a man in a top power position in this country, he had the experience, the information, and the financial wherewithal to get help for his problem.  Instead, he chose to continue the cycle of exploitation of boys - using his position of power as leverage.

        And, his peers enabled him and protected him and stood by and watched kids be targeted, for their own selfish reasons (much like Michael Jackson has been enabled in his many years of molesting behavior.) They only turned on him once he got caught.  Come to think of it, he's only now sought help because he got caught.  

        It's all very sad but there's no moral gray area about what he's done.

        I believe there's something out there watching over us. Unfortunately, it's the government. -Woody Allen

        by hopesprings on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 03:41:38 PM PDT

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        •  Never said it wasn't a crime (1+ / 0-)
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          But we don't know that he was fondling eight year old boys. I think it's a bit disingenuous to speak as if there's no difference.

          I read the IM transcripts, and I have to say, it would be bad even if it had been a consenting married couple. I mean, it was really bad. So I'm certainly not defending him. But I'm still a bit hesitant to just reflexively smack the label of "child molester" on his forehead. Sexual predator, sure.


          "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." - Salvor Hardin

          by Zackpunk on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 03:49:59 PM PDT

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        •  The system helped create this (1+ / 0-)
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          He had the experience, the information, and the financial wherewithal to get help for his problem.

          Sadly, I'm not certain that I agree. Assume Mark Foley had gone to a mental health professional to get help with his problem.

          The chances of that coming out in oppo research are pretty high, particularly if he had higher ambitions than the U.S. House of Representatives.

          Politicians have been burned before simply for seeking psychological help. There's a strong anti-mental health streak in the electorate. And if the content of those sessions ever came out--Jesus. Many people's gut reaction is that it's wrong even to want the things Foley wanted.

          Seriously--what if it came out that Candidate X was attracted to young teenagers of the same sex but that he was in counseling for his problem and had never acted on his impulses? Would you vote for him? Be honest.

          •  You make very good points... (0+ / 0-)

            ...there is WAY too much stigma about mental health issues for politicians.  It's not fair to them and it's not fair to society, because we end up with really emotionally unstable people running the country (if not the world).

            As Cesar Millan the dog whisperer says, "Human is the only species that follows unstable pack leader."

            The whole system is enabling of disfunction - the wagons circle and everybody protects and enables the wrongdoer.  Whether it be 16 year old pages, 21 year old interns, alcohol, drugs, bribery, prostitution...these old boys protect each other.  And there is NO excuse for that.

            I believe there's something out there watching over us. Unfortunately, it's the government. -Woody Allen

            by hopesprings on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 04:07:12 PM PDT

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