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  •  Lawrence O'Donnell on the McLaughlin Group (1+ / 0-)
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    kept mentioning that many shoes are going to drop. I guess there is a list of closet gay republicans circulating inside the beltway. Being a liberal, I don't see what the big deal is.

    •  The big deal is (9+ / 0-)

      that there ARE a great many closeted gay Republicans, and they constantly work to, first, keep themselves firmly in the closet, and second, to enable their gay-hating, life-hating sonsofbitches colleagues to keep attacking gays and anyone else who doesn't fit the approved list of lifestyles.

      It's not that they're gay, it's that they're hypocrites, and they're pursuing their own lifestyle while working like hell to keep others from pursuing that selfsame lifestyle and keep their own abjectly corrupt colleagues and bosses in office.  Fuck them.  They deserve no sympathy nor any restraint from us.

      This Far and No Further -- documenting 109 years of conservative thuggery

      by Black Max on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:34:33 PM PDT

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      •  Why are they Republicans? (5+ / 0-)

        I just don't get it. Is there some epidemic of masochism I don't know about?

        •  I don't understand it (3+ / 0-)
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          and I've never seen anything approaching an explanation from a Log Cabin Fucktard.  David Brock might have explained it best in his book; basically, he described himself as completely self-destructive and politically insane.

          This Far and No Further -- documenting 109 years of conservative thuggery

          by Black Max on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:41:28 PM PDT

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          •  not sure (3+ / 0-)
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            I have a gay friend who voted for Bush in 2000 and was a fairly strong Republican until shortly before the 2004 election.  To this day I've never gotten an adequate explanation from him as to why he identified with the GOP; the most he's ever said is that he believed that they were stronger on national security, which became especially important to him following 9/11 (his family lived in NYC).  His father seems to be very conservative and has had difficulty with his son's sexuality, so my friend's initial conservatism might have had more to do with conditioning rather than independent thought on his own part.  

            The pleasure of hating...eats into the heart of religion...[and] makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands. - W. Haz

            by rfahey22 on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:47:55 PM PDT

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          •  David Brock's book Blinded (4+ / 0-)

            explained that he began as a liberal but at a liberal university found himself rebelling against how he saw it being practiced. My sense is he was never comfortable as a conservative and now that he's back from the dark side he's still basically reacting against what he used to be.

            That may explain him but not other gay Repugnants. They say they believe in smaller government, fiscal responsibility, go down the conservative checklist, but how can that possibly compensate for their own party actively denouncing an integral part of their identities? I seriously believe they're in some kind of denial. Or self-hatred. That has to be involved too.

        •  Possible Explanations (0+ / 0-)
          1. Sexual orientation and ability to reason are different things.
          1. Heterosexuals don’t have a monopoly on fascism (eg, The National Socialist Party.
          1. Hastert chaired the recruiting committee.
      •  Your Right. (2+ / 0-)
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        I wasn't thinking about the anger that will be generated from our side but that of the Republicans.  On page 244 of Hubris, written by Isikoff and Corn:

        Rove and Novak were "intimately close" and occasionally socialized together, according to Al Hunt.  But neither spoke about it publicly. Rove was rarely mentioned in Novak's columns (although when he was, it was in a positive light). "I can't tell anything I ever talked to Karl Rove about, because I don't think I ever talked to him about any subject, even the time of day, on the record.

        Please keep in mind that the quotation marks are not mine.  I don't know if Isikoff and Corn are saying that Rove and Novak are close friends or more than close friends.  If they are more than close friends, this could be big news, on so many different levels. I just wish somebody would ask Isikoff or Corn what they (or Al Hunt) meant about Rove and Novak being "intimately close".  

      •  what o'donnell said (1+ / 0-)
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        and this is a pretty close paraphrase, is that another shoe that may drop--publications may or may not decide to run with it--that the closed gay males on the staff level in the House leadership were involved in how this was processed, and that the pressures of being a closet gay in the R party may have affected their judgment. it isn't just that there are gay republicans, it is how the party's suppression of that twisted their response.

        o'donnell also specifically named Tom Reynold's just-resigned chief of staff Kirk Fordham as being gay, but he implied more than one.

        the issue that they tried to use as a political wedge is coming back to destroy them through their own hypocrisy.

        •  o'donnell on huff post (1+ / 0-)
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          from huff post

          The LA Times has outed Kirk Fordham today. He will not be the last closeted gay Republican outed by this scandal.

          Today's NY Times has a chart that outlines the "key communications" in the House of Representatives about Mark Foley's inappropriate contact with pages. More than one of the names in the chart, which includes Kirk Fordham, are rumored to be closeted gay Republicans who have been working at the highest levels of the Republican leadership.
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          The Republican base--the Evangelical get-out-the-vote troops--are going to be devastated when they discover how many closeted gay Republicans were involved in policing Mark Foley in the House of Representatives. Republican House members know this. That's why momentum is building for a very quick House cleaning and a new Speaker by next week.

          •  no republicans without problems (0+ / 0-)

            oh, and he also  said that hastert can't resign, despite the pressure for him to do  so, because the republicans have absolutely no one they can put up for the job of speaker who isn't tainted by scandel and doesn't have a big ethical problem that would come out. they're stuck with hastert because they have nothing better to  offer.

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