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  •  Again, it will help to define our terms. (2+ / 0-)
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    kilo50, gkn

    Deaths by state of birth are not concentrated in the south.  Not at all.

    Deaths by state of military base are.  The south is heavy in military bases.

    Citing from your cited site:

    Unfortunately, our analysis shows that soldiers deploying from North Carolina – as well as their families and military communities – have paid dearly for the association.” Among the findings drawn from news reports and Department of Defense data:

    • Of the over 1,930 U.S. troops that have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, more than 230 have been based in North Carolina  (Emphasis added.)

    At the time of the article, only 35 deaths were to troops born in North Carolina.

    Forgiveness, if it is to come, follows justice. Without justice first, there can be no forgiveness. - Bob Johnson

    by Yellow Canary on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 11:21:44 AM PDT

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    •  Many variables, but impact is clear (1+ / 0-)
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      Depends on year you look at, how you define the South, etc.

      On any given year since 9/11, casualties of troops BORN in the South have been even with or disproportionate to Southern share of the U.S. population.

      When you measure by where troops are BASED, the numbers rise even higher. This is important and often overlooked -- military bases are a big part of Southern politics, economics and culture. The huge losses of troops from Fort Bragg (NC) and Fort Hood (TX) have had a MAJOR impact on those states.

      Blogging for a Progressive South // www.southernstudies.org/facingsouth

      by ProgressiveSouth on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 11:33:41 AM PDT

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      •  Citation? (0+ / 0-)

        "On any given year since 9/11, casualties of troops BORN in the South have been even with or disproportionate to Southern share of the U.S. population."

        Forgiveness, if it is to come, follows justice. Without justice first, there can be no forgiveness. - Bob Johnson

        by Yellow Canary on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 11:55:09 AM PDT

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        •  Two "South at War" reports (0+ / 0-)

          The 2005 report is referenced above. We also did a "South at War" report in 2002, which isn't yet online, which had similar results.

          Blogging for a Progressive South // www.southernstudies.org/facingsouth

          by ProgressiveSouth on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 11:58:22 AM PDT

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          •  Not there. (1+ / 0-)
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            There is nothing in the report you referenced that refers to the state of birth or even the state of residence of troops killed.  The report does mention that many troops come from southern states, but it does not mention the state of birth or residency of the troops killed.

            The statistics cited under the section heading "Who Suffers from War Casualties" are ALL based on the state in which the deceased was based:

            Who Suffers from War Casualties?

            Given the South’s dominant role in supplying and stationing troops, perhaps it is not surprising
            that the South is the part of the country most affected by military casualties, especially in losing
            troops that had been stationed in Southern military bases.

            An analysis of U.S. troops who have died in the Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001 reveals that a
            disproportionate share have been based in the U.S. South. Of the over 1,800 U.S. troops who
            have died in Iraq, 38% were based in the South. An even greater share of those killed in
            Afghanistan – almost half, 47% -- have been military personnel who were stationed in the South
            (Emphasis, except in section heading, added.)

            Forgiveness, if it is to come, follows justice. Without justice first, there can be no forgiveness. - Bob Johnson

            by Yellow Canary on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 12:32:22 PM PDT

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