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  •  But the difference is ... (0+ / 0-)

    you look at who funds Club for Growth -- huge chunks of right-wing corporations and interest groups at $10,000 a crack or whatever. If we DID have a PAC, it would be made up of $20 contributions from thousands of people, not a few corporate interests.

    •  ok (0+ / 0-)

      so are you going to draw the donation line at $20? What if I want to give a $100? $1000? What if they restructure their organization so that donations are coming from "individuals"? Look, I'm not supporting them, I'm just saying that we could end up hurting ourselves by fighting this too adamantly.

      You know, I can almost hear Kos use this as a fundraising rallying cry: "Club for Growth is putting in $500,000, let's do $501,000!"

      •  No, I wouldn't recommend limits (0+ / 0-)

        But again, there's a difference between having 1,000 individuals donate to get to half a million and having the U.S. Chamber of Commerce get you to half a million.

        If you can't see the difference, I give up.

        •  oh, I absolutely see the difference. (0+ / 0-)

          Of course I do. I just don't know how to fix the system so that conglomerates of power can't abuse it. It feels to me that if we limit them, we will also limit individuals.

          My opinion is that all elections should be funded by taxpayer money, and that each eligible candidate gets exactly the same amount. Sounds fair to me.

          •  of course, we still haven't addressed (0+ / 0-)

            the central issue of the initial discussion, which was not who was making the out-of-state donations, but that there were out of state donations. Grant quickly mentioned Club for Growth as a premier contributer, which somewhat obscured his initial point, but we shouldn't forget what his initial point was: he was criticizing Sali for out of state donations. Regardless of who gives them, I think we can all agree that there is nothing wrong with out of state donations. God knows, we here have been pushing for them up and down. And I say, good for us.

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