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  •  But my view! my view! Those turbines ... (2+ / 0-)
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    cookiebear, esquimaux

    ...are blocking my view!

    •  Just close your eyes (3+ / 0-)
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      melo, SarahLee, Elco B

      And all will be fine! (and you'll be part of the mainstream as far as energy policy is concerned)

      In the long run, we're all dead (Keynes)
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      by Jerome a Paris on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 02:16:22 PM PDT

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    •  It's Not "My" View - - (7+ / 0-)

      I'll be dead and gone in a hundred years.
      It the view - or the viewscape, if you will.

      I full well recognize that I am in a minority - a very small minority - here; however, I would like to make a small point.  Humans have transformed and transfigured nearly the entire surface of the planet.  There are few places that remain where a person can stand and look to a far horizon without seeing the works of humanity.  I suspect that is one reason why people fall silent before a great canyon or an ancient forest.  Even in Wyoming, there is often the fenceline or the transmission line faintly visible.  

      For urban dwellers, the seashore is the only possibility of seeing such a world.  City parks - although lovely - are mowed and managed.  The night sky is largely erased with light pollution.  Even if I am the only person who sees the world in this manner, I think that it is important to consider what is lost.  I grant you that such viewscapes are often monopolized by the rich and the famous, but not entirely.  One of the earliest goals of progressives was to ensure that all people had access to parks and seashores - it was the basis for the creation of the National Park Service and for state park systems throughout the country.

      I also recognize that you, Jerome, have made it your life's work to find workable, alternative energy sources.  I commend you for that.  I cannot tell you where we ought to go from here.  Politically, it is always easier to advocate greater production and, thus, greater consumption.  This has gotten both of us into a bit of hot water over things such as Americans' automotive habits.  Still, I am unsure how to calculate all of the costs.  I simply ask, "At what price?"

      •  Good points, jg. All three of us have ... (3+ / 0-)
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        Welshman, johnnygunn, alizard into increase-the-supply, don't-give-me-shit-about-my-demand Kossacks when it comes to energy.

        My pov is not to downplay the idea that even relatively benign sources of energy may have environmental and aesthetic drawbacks, as off-shore turbines may well have. Efforts should always be made to keep some areas - large swaths, imo - free from the built environment. Even windy Wyoming - that's your home turf, right? - deserves not to have the Tetons blocked by power plants (or any sort).

        Nonetheless, there is a good deal of elitist NIMBYism among some who argue against wind turbines. It seems to me that when a "backdrop" is already filled with diesel-belching, oil-dribbling, garbage-dumping ships that it's a bit much to complain about the impact of  other machinery.

    •  I live in coastal Maine, where folks come (2+ / 0-)
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      and think our towns where houses are right next to each other are nice, and the views of harbors are beautiful - harbors full of boats. They complain when that same lobsterman wakes them while pulling traps at 6 a.m., because, you know, they paid $1.5M for that 2nd home.

      These same folks climb Mount Battie and build yet another stupid rock cairn, to join the hundreds of others, placing them on the low shruberry or grasses, not giving a wit to them (I take these cairns apart).

      These same folks drive their huge SUV's here, and complain that there is no parking right in front of the store where they want to shop.

      Maine relies on their dollars. It's their attitude that we could do without.

      17. Ne5

      In chess you may hit a man when he's down -- Irving Chernev, on Przepiorka v. Prokes, Budapest, 1929

      by Spud1 on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 07:01:18 PM PDT

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