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  •  Pumped storage far more reliable than windmills (0+ / 0-)

    Quit pushing a bad horse.

    •  The only problem (2+ / 0-)
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      splashy, Boreal Ecologist

      is that we've basically run our of sites for large scale hydro, so there is not much scope to increase production.

      Plus the impact of hydro projects is nowadays considered to be much worse than most other types of generation, and a lot worse than wind. Have you never seen the WWF ads?

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      by Jerome a Paris on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 03:07:50 PM PDT

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      •  Jerome, back to basics ... (1+ / 0-)
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        alizard

        ... how do you get a positive energy out of a storage system? Pumped Storage is a complement to windpower, not a substitute.

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        by BruceMcF on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 10:38:44 PM PDT

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        •  I thought pumped storage (0+ / 0-)

          was a way to use the steady power of a nuclear plant during off-peak periods -- pump the water up at night and let it flow down during the day.  Is that not true?

          •  Pumped storage is a way to store ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... any electric power from any power source during periods when there is excess supply, as long as it is more economic to store the power than to not generate it.

            Both wind power and nuclear fall into that category  ... after all, the wind blows on Lake Erie in the off peak hours as well.

            There are a number of locations around the Great Lakes where there are the 100 foot elevations near the shore, so for the Great Lakes wind resource, there are opportunities to expand pumped storage hydro.

            Of course, a big expansion of pluggable hybrid electric vehicles would bring up off peak demand, so with wind power it may equally be a way to store power during high wind periods and get a smoother baseline.

            OH15: IN: Kilroy for Congress. OUT:Deborah Pryce

            by BruceMcF on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 09:59:24 AM PDT

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