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  •  It's not about justification (3+ / 0-)

    or tactics or winning or losing.  It's about words.  Words matter.

    When you use words like "murder" you essentially accuse American soldiers of going out of their way to slaughter people.  That's such a wild exaggeration that it's practically obscene.

    When you use words to make the Iraqis killing American soldiers to be innocent victims, you essentially imply that those soldiers are in fact the guilty party.

    This war may be wrong, but please don't pretend that the average American soldier is a murderer of innocents.  The average American soldier is a patriotic, red-blooded guy or gal just like yourself, but one who also signed an oath swearing to defend his country in good times and in bad.  That's gotta be worth something.  

    It doesn't justify the war.  But it does mean we owe these people just a bit of respect-- enough respect that we can take their sacrifice at face value.

    •  We're not, I hope, painting the soldiers (5+ / 0-)

      as murderers.  I think most of us tend to paint Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld as the murderers, putting American soldiers in an untenable position.  The true killer of the Lance Corporal was the Bush administration; the proximate cause may have been a sniper (who, quite possibly was a horrible person, or may have been a decent person), but, and I think most of us can agree that the real problem is W et al.  I understand where you're coming from, and that's part of why I'm adjusting the frame upwards just a bit, to focus on the truly, definitively bad people who are causing all the death: W etc.  

      If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. - George Orwell (-9.75, -9.03)

      by nilocjin on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 03:02:58 PM PST

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      •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

        that moving the frame up the chain is useful.  But while we're doing that, let's not lose sight of the tragedy of this American's death-- which would be unwise tactically (after all, it's what gives the story its punch) and morally indefensible.  

        I dunno.  There's just so much death and destruction that it kind of goes beyond what my pea-brain is willing to deal with.

    •  Words matter, yes, but people matter more... (0+ / 0-)

      I do not respect the Iraq mission of the military.  The military is a tool, a blunt instrument of force.  The problem with talking about "the military" is that most people can't distinuish between the military as a blunt instrument of policy and members of the military as individual human beings.  

      It is tough to do both, but it can be done.  The American military men and women in Iraq are participants in an immoral invasion, occupation, and destruction of a society that was never a threat to this country.  In that sense, we are murderers. To deny it is to deny the meaning of the word. Murder is "the unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by another."  

      Just because Bush says its okay and fuckwad politicians support him doesn't make it legal.  Check the UN charter, the Geneva Convention, and International law.  Just because no country has the balls to stand up to the US to enforce International law still doesn't make it legal or moral.

      The only people who have the balls to stand up to the illegality and immorality of it all are the Iraqis. And yes, they are killing Americans in response.  I call these killings self-defense.

      I am sad that Lance Cpl. Smith lost his life for the madness of Bush and everyone else who will not denounce this war.  I am sadder that he chose to participate in an immoral and illegal war.  The law gave him an out if he chose it.  Other service members have decided that they no longer wanted to participate in this madness and they have taken means to extract themselves from it. People are in prison right now for refusing to return to Iraq.

      Every person has a choice regarding the right thing to do.  We are only limited by our fear. Blind obedience to immoral orders out of fear is understandable and tragic.  But it is still murder.

      "It is up to the most conscious member of the relationship to create the space for the relationship to grow." Ram Dass

      by bosuncookie on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 05:11:32 PM PST

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