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  •  People really are stupid (1+ / 0-)
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    PatsBard

    If you can't follow directions sufficiently to sign the envelope, you probably shouldn't be voting.

    That doesn't include the handicapped person who got bad information though.

    •  Especially since the info (2+ / 0-)
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      monkeybiz, neroden

      came from the freakin supervbisors office. Please recommend BTW

      "Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"

      by molly bloom on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:08:21 PM PST

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    •  That is pretty judgemental and cruel (6+ / 0-)

      I know my mother who is 82 years young and is very worried this year about whether she has been able to jump through each hoop in the obstacle courses set up by some election boards.

      Mother has voted in every election since she reached voting age and perhaps there needs to be more assistance for the elderly to educate them on election requirements which have been moving targets for the last 6 or so years.

      If Democrats are this crass and ugly about Democrats, is it no wonder that the GOP feels free to take pot shots about Democratic ignorance and stupidity when it comes to butterfly ballots and the like.

      We are all aging and it shouldn't mean that younger folks will write us off as voters, think that we shouldn't be given the right to vote if we fail to understand changes as easily or can't see as well.

      And I guarantee my mother is agile and mentally alert for her age.  She remains active and serves as the librarian of her retirement community.  Is it too difficult to provide some kind of outreach to these voters?

      Sounds like some folks have partaken of the koolade and are now doing the GOP's dirty work for them.

      Peace,
      PaintyKat

      Thou Shalt NOT Whine...Get to WORK! Just a painty kat - NOT that be meanie cat

      by PaintyKat on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:38:36 PM PST

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      •  OK (2+ / 0-)
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        NCrefugee, PaintyKat

        Maybe that's a bit rough, but when you're out campaigning and you encounter the level of apathy, ignorance, and sheer carelessness among voters, it really does shock you.

        It reminds me of the woman I encountered in Ohio on Election Day in 2004 who stopped me to say that she really hoped that Kerry was going to win.  Then I asked if she had voted, and she said that she wasn't registered.  Now maybe she was a felon or something and couldn't vote, but I suspect she just never bothered to register.  And the people who didn't sign their envelopes just never bothered to recheck everything before popping it into the mail.  We can do a lot to help people, but ultimately having a democracy means that people have to take some effort and follow through.

        •  Thank you for your work on the ground (0+ / 0-)

          and even though you get frustrated - remember that others experiences in life differ from ours and that means motivation for participation in the political process or even knowing how, or having the energy to educate oneself after the very act of survival can be more of an energy requirement than folks have at the end of the day.

          Think about those who worked before us in the civil right movement and fought for the vote for those who might not even be able to read and endured poll tests or those who didn't own property who encountered poll taxes.  It took a great deal of committment for those who endured beatings and jailings who dared to attempt registration to vote.

          When folks have been disincluded from the process for so long and perhaps are undereducated, they may not understand what is at stake or how to become involved.

          Your contributions are important ones, so take some time to be kind to yourself and that will help your endurance.

          Again, thank you for your efforts....
          PaintyKat

          Thou Shalt NOT Whine...Get to WORK! Just a painty kat - NOT that be meanie cat

          by PaintyKat on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 05:39:32 PM PST

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      •  no. (0+ / 0-)

        It is not cruel.

        Ask for help if you need to. If you cannot read the instructions, ask for help.

        If you cannot sign your name, that is what the HAVA used to shove the electronic touch screen machines down the throats of the rest of us. Get her to a machine for disabilities at the local elections office or polling place.

        A poll judge can confirm an "x" if necessary.

        I have been an elections observer for several years. The elderly can get all kinds of help in WA if they are in a polling place that cannot be accepted on an absentee ballot.

        The volume of spoiled ballots is huge and the only fix is education or going to the polls.

        The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

        by NCrefugee on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 05:35:53 PM PST

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        •  Pardan me, but who should I get to a machine for (0+ / 0-)

          disabilities?  As far as reading, I read very well and have an advanced degree.  My mother is the librarian for her retirement community, hence maintains inventory and does book buying, manages the annual budget, etc. for the community library.

          Perhaps it is your reading comprehension that needs a bit of brushing up.  I didn't indicate Mother couldn't write either so no need for an "X"  I would put Mother's reading comprehension up against yours any day, but the point was the increasing challenges placed by the GOP to make voting more difficult for all of us.  It is their efforts to reduce the numbers of voting populations that I address.  

          And my point was that this is the first time Mother, at 82, has ever voiced a concern for the number of hoops she had to jump through with additional requirements made into law in AZ.

          Since the author of the comment has already confessed it was harsh, and explained his/her frustration honestly, I will choose to disregard your spiel about it not being cruel.

          And forgive me if I don't put too much stock in your experience in election observations because it is sad to me that you have become so judgemental and crude about other voters.  The electorate can't possibly be well served by your attitude and eagerness to misunderstand what issue is actually being presented.

          I served for many years as an elective committee precinct person for the Democratic party and managed to avoid adopting your lofty idea about being better than other voters.  My job was education and assistance.  I also observed the actual voting process and removed the ballots at the end of the day from the machines, signed off on them for delivery to the Sec of States representative for compilation.

          But my position was and still is that every voter is important in this country and my understanding is that is a constitutional right.

          I sure don't want to see Democrats passing judgement on other Democrats and cutting anyone out of the process.  There is enough interference from the GOP but should be none from us.

          PaintyKat

          Thou Shalt NOT Whine...Get to WORK! Just a painty kat - NOT that be meanie cat

          by PaintyKat on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 05:55:45 PM PST

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