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  •  well Lieberman was getting bashed (0+ / 0-)

    long before he lost the primary. Nelson, Landrieu, and Salazar may lose a primary too if they're treated the same way. Hopefully we'll be smart enough to realize they are the ones who will win in their states.

    •  Unfair (8+ / 0-)

      Ned Lamont would have cruised to victory and likely carried Diane Farrell past Chris Shays if Joe Lieberman accepted the results of the Democratic primary contest HE ENTERED. Most people on Daily Kos are pragmatists and are not thinking of focusing their energies on primaries in Red States. Connecticut is deep blue. Joe Lieberman won with GOP money, GOP voters, GOP message, and a smokescreen.

      I'm all for laying off the talk of stripping his seniority and kicking him out of caucus because at this point that is a misplaced priority. But Joe Lieberman will undercut Democrats at critical moments with no regrets. I don't know how you welcome that into your party. Tolerate it for expediency, yes. Welcome it, NO.

      If you're after getting the honey, Then you don't go killing all the bees - Joe Strummer

      by joejoejoe on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 05:11:40 PM PST

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      •  exactly (2+ / 0-)
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        stevej, heineken1717

        We need to tolerate him, because we need him.  If he were the turncoat people make him out to be, all he has to do is make one phone call to whoever the hell the GOP minority leader turns out to be, and BOOM we lose our Senate majority.

        SO DON'T BE SO FUCKING STUPID, LIEBERMAN-HATERS!!

        As for him undercutting Democrats on tv... you think that would stop if he were no longer a Senator?  Hardly.  He'd still be on tv, spewing the same old shit, with even more venom.  We're stuck with that, until he dies probably.  So cope.

        I've been repeatedly told by "moderate" friends that we "lost" yesterday because we failed to unseat Lieberman.  And listening to the whiners around here, I'd almost believe it.

        •  Look on the bright side (1+ / 0-)
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          Lieberman is one of 100 Senators. If he switches there is nothing to prevent a GOP Senator from switching to the Democrats for the same reason - power. Lieberman can play up his role in the media but the reality is he's one more Democratic vote from being a marginal figure.

          If you're after getting the honey, Then you don't go killing all the bees - Joe Strummer

          by joejoejoe on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 05:57:02 PM PST

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          •  but who? (1+ / 0-)
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            We just took out Chaffee.  Snowe?  There's hardly any moderate Republicans left.

            •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

              I've been reading about the history of party switches. I think any potential switchers will wait to see how Bush and McConnell handle the lame duck months.

              I have to read up more on the NH Sens.. Sununu is a balanced budget guy who was suspicious of the Patriot Act and NH just went blue in it's state legislature.

              It's too close to election day to sort out. There are a lot of very low probability outcomes that could pan out but I think everybody on both sides will play it cool for a bit to see what is actually going to happen as opposed to the nice words everyone is saying today.

              I saw where Joe Lieberman was on Sean Hannity talking about how he is looking for new ways to be 'Independent' and to remember his new friends. That sounds like payback more than comity.

              If you're after getting the honey, Then you don't go killing all the bees - Joe Strummer

              by joejoejoe on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 06:27:45 PM PST

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    •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
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      slatsg, Nina

      God forbid we ever criticize a Democratic incumbent. We should just bow before the Duke of Connecticut and give him his deucal right.
      Nelson, Salazar, and Landrieu haven't told me I'm making the country less safe by criticizing his Georgeness.
      Also, a liberal Dem would not win the primary in Louisiana or Nebraska. That's why the progressive base of the party swallows its pride every time and works for these people.

      •  I think a bread and butter FDR democrat would win (0+ / 0-)

        in lousiana. The Democrats have moved too far off track.  You think the working poor, middle class and the elderly care about most of the social agenda?  If anything that turns them off.

        They do care about their Social Security, decent medical care and a decent life. Do you think they want to work all their life, then give all their savings to the insurance and health care companies? And lose their homes due to the high costs? Would you want to do that?

        Do you really believe that they want Republicans, who are for the rich, in power?

        There is something wrong with this picture.

        Life is what you focus on. I'm focusing on Karma and Hell. If there were no such things as Karma and Hell, we would want to invent them. Life is beautiful.

        by relentless on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 06:56:45 PM PST

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