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  •  I'm just wondering... (3+ / 0-)
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    unless you have a SMOKING GUN

    ...where the fuck have you been? Did you read the Downing Street Minutes? Did you hear our President and his AG admit to torturing people? Did you hear our President admit that he's disobeyed the FISA laws repeatedly? What is a "smoking gun?" Did you witness our President lying about Katrina while video proof that he was briefed is readily available? Did you see him cracking wise about those silly WMD's that were never there? Are signing statements that put the President above the law "smoking guns?"

    The impeachment of George Bush would probably likewise prove unpopular unless you have a SMOKING GUN like we had in the Nixon case.

    What was Nixon's smoking gun? A couple of his goons breaking into the Democratic Headquarters on his order? Compared to the shit Bush has pulled, that was a walk in the park. Was it when he said "You see, when the President does it, that means it's not illegal?" Bush has said that over 700 times.

    Unlike the Impeachment of Richard Nixon, who basically condoned and then covered up an act of burglary, the Impeachment of Bill Clinton was not very popular.

    (Again that Nixon thing pales in the shadow of that "horrid President" Bush. You can't even compare them with a straight face.)

    In case you're wondering why the Ken Star Travelling Circus Show Impeachment of Clinton was not very popular, I'll give you a hint: It was over a fucking BLOW JOB. (God please keep me from adding "YOU MORON!") And looky what it accomplished! Now we can't possibly impeach another President. Two in a row!? That would be just awful. (By design, my friend.)

    Impeachment for revenge purposes can be a horrible distraction from serious problems that should take a higher priority.

    I've got news for you, baby. This ain't about revenge and you've got a lot of nerve assuming that it is. If you want to know what it's about, then take a moment to read this comment from KagroX:

    Our "national healing process" after Watergate...

    ...has been entirely, and purposefully, undone. And undone by the very people we thought we were imparting the lessons to, no less.

    The major public policy changes that emerged from Watergate's aftermath were FISA and campaign finance reform. FISA was enacted in recognition of the fact that, yes, a president might indeed one day have a legitimate and pressing national security need for immediate action and warrantless wiretapping. So it granted him that power for 72 hours, after which he must account for himself, but can do so in secrecy.

    The FEC and its regulatory scheme was also an outgrowth of Watergate, seeking to put an end to the "secret slush fund" operations maintained by the Nixon White House and the Republican Party.

    How's that going?

    So let's catalog things for a moment. The accusations againt Nixon were that he was conducting warrantless surveillance of American citizens, maintained secret political slush funds, lied to and misled investigators, and conducted a secret, illegal war in Cambodia. He was threatened with impeachment, but allowed to slink away in exchange for his resignation, and ultimately pardoned.

    Fifteen years later, for some strange reason, we found ourselves confronted with the fact that Ronald Reagan's administration was maintaining secret political slush funds, was lying to and misleading investigators, and conducting a secret, illegal war in Central America. Although there were occasional hints that some Members of Congress were considering impeachment, there was tremendous political pressure not to bring such charges forward, because of the "damage" impeachment would do to the American political system. Underlings were prosecuted, of course, but ultimately, Reagan was allowed to ride off into the sunset, and those convicted in Iran-Contra were ultimately pardoned.

    Fifteen years after that, for some strange reason, we found ourselves confronted with the fact that George W. Bush's administration was conducting wholesale, nationwide and comprehensive warrantless surveillance of American citizens, is openly using the U.S. Treasury to maintain a vast network of outrageously inflated, no-bid contracts related to "security" and the "war on terror," is lying to and misleading Congress, and conducting an open, illegal war in Iraq, and threatening to expand it to Iran. On top of which, he's managed to engineer for himself the power to order torture, indefinite detention of American citizens without charge, the suspension of habeas corpus, and the unilateral power to simply decline to enforce the expressed will of Congress.

    So I ask you, do any of the people who think we need to let this go have kids.

    What will even be left to fight for when this metastasizes again, fifteen years from now??

    We have a duty to impeach this criminal President and every last one of his enablers. To hell with picking our battles. This is THE battle--for the soul of our country.

    "...the pillaging of the most private human feelings [of grief] for political purpose...is a terrible, violent thing for a state to do to its people." -A. Roy

    by nehark on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:57:21 PM PST

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    •  dude (1+ / 0-)
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      You should really diary that tomorrow.

      We have to keep on this.

      •  theyrereal... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...I post Kagro's comment every time this comes up. This is the bottom line. It's for the future of our country. It's for our kids, and it's for the rest of the world we've been shitting on for as long as I can remember.

        Your diary and your passion...both fantastic.

        I think impeachment is inevitable once the new Congress is seated. They'll start slow, but they'll have to take a look at war spending, offshore tax evasion...that kind of stuff...if they're going to govern. This stuff will automatically begin the avalanche of evidence.

        Don't forget, Conyers, Waxman, et. al. have already documented a ton of stuff. I have no doubt that they intend to use it. Believe me. They have to, or they won't be doing their jobs.

        We've been governed by one giant fucking coverup after another. There's so much incriminating evidence of criminality, these guys couldn't avoid it if they tried. And they won't try.

        I'm going to sit back and wait. Let's give them a little breathing room...see what happens. When the shit starts coming out, if any one of them tries to push it under the rug, that's when we say NO!

        I've got a wish list a mile long. Holding these goons accountable for their crimes tops that list.

        I'm patient. I do have a lot of faith in the men and women of the 110th. They haven't been idle. And they haven't held hearings and documented every crime for no reason.

        It is going to be a mess, and I dread it. But I dread even more what we'll be if we don't go through this.

        "...the pillaging of the most private human feelings [of grief] for political purpose...is a terrible, violent thing for a state to do to its people." -A. Roy

        by nehark on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 12:57:46 AM PST

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