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  •  NIce diary. (24+ / 0-)

    But your timing sucks. dKos needs to stay concentrated on the Presidential elections. We shouldn't be saying anything that might spook voters. Biofuels hold out the possibility of being able to keep our gas-guzzlers and that's good for electability.

    •  Thanks for that. (7+ / 0-)

      Still bleary eyed and half asleep, but laughed out loud at that. Thanks.

      OH15: IN: Kilroy for Congress. OUT:Deborah Pryce

      by BruceMcF on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 05:45:42 AM PST

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    •  Ok (4+ / 0-)

      Who are you satirizing? Fess up.

    •  How about we try some issue multi-tasking... (4+ / 0-)
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      Jerome a Paris, Yamara, wahuwa, netguyct

      Why keep our powder dry on such an important issue, just on the chance we may gain more power.  We've gained a much larger voice, let's use that voice now instead of waiting for a couple of years.  

      As for the alternative energy issue, the Dems simply have to repeat to any and all media that will listen, "It's no accident that Bush is pushing an alternative energy agenda after we won the House and Senate and the majority of governorships.  Either he moved forward with this initiative with us, or looked bad either bending to our will or looked bad in blocking it later.  Those are going to be his choices on a multitude of issues important to Democrats in the next two years."  

      The November Tsudemi Has Arrived!

      by Public Servant on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 06:51:33 AM PST

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      •  I'm pretty sure it was snark. (3+ / 0-)
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        wader, Yamara, neroden

        Think about it ... is the week of the 2006 elections are too close to the 2008 elections to be talking policy? Indeed, close to The Onion level snark.

        OH15: IN: Kilroy for Congress. OUT:Deborah Pryce

        by BruceMcF on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 07:33:19 AM PST

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      •  Embrace and extend ... (1+ / 0-)
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        Hate to quote the evil empire (Redmond) here, but it seems like:

        • There is no silver bullet solution to peak oil/energy "independence"/global warming.
        • A range of fuel alternatives and conservation and energy efficiency is the solution.

        So why not grab the Republican talking points and push harder?

        Let Bush veto the bi-partisanly sponsored Energy Independence Bill of 2007 because it mandated higher efficiency levels or required pollution controls for coal burning plants or whatever!!

        •  Excellent response to Devilstower ... (0+ / 0-)

          Who called for single issue legislation -- aim for a paragraph.

          With all due respect, there are things that should be packaged. Most notably ...

          • A gas tax should not -- AND WOULD NOT pass without some statement as to how the revenue would be used. (Although I would support a gas tax, I believe that there are better paths forward.)

          If, on energy issues, every item would be enacted separately, this would give George the W effectively a single-item veto.

    •  Biofuels (1+ / 0-)
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      Jerome a Paris

      may not make sense from an energy standpoint, but it sure as hell makes sense from a I need to win the Iowa caucuses so that I can become President perspective.

      This train has already left the station, and will be impossible to stop.

      Until, that is, the Iowa caucuses are not first on the Primary schedule

      •  Some biofuels make sense from an energy ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... standpoint, and many do not. Rather than tar them all with the same brush, level with people.

        The assured long-term market opportunity selling into a market with much better income elasticity than staple foods is the one where the energy numbers actually look good. Farmers can understand that ... if they can't understand that, they have not been farming for very long.

    •  Screw off - we need to focus on 2012!!! (1+ / 0-)
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      [insert off-kilter rant here]

    •  Do we need tags for posts? (0+ / 0-)

      Was tired enough that I needed to do a double-take on your post to realize "snark".  Truly must be exhausted ---

      Re Gas Guzzlers, we do have a serious issue in the new Democratic House ... Dingell will be the senior Democrat re Energy.  What could that mean?

      According to WashPost reporting (
      ENERGY: An Acceleration Toward Alternative Fuels?) Thursday:

      Most other energy issues will have to go through Rep. John D. Dingell of Michigan, the ranking Democrat and presumptive chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. ....

      In a conference call [Wednesday], Dingell said he would back measures to promote new energy technologies, diesel fuel and cars, electric vehicles, and conservation in buildings. But before raising automobile fuel-efficiency standards, he said attention should be paid to the ability of the industry to absorb the economic impact of these changes. His opposition to higher mileage standards could put him on a collision course with other Democrats. Public pressure for action has dissipated as gas prices have slid, but environmentalist forces within the Democratic party are claiming a mandate.

      What can be done to get Dingell onto a better path?  D opposition from likes of Mikulski killed better mileage standards in the Senate earlier in the decade.  Will Dingell/Mikulski prevent this sensible course again? (Although, CAFE is not the path I'd follow -- much prefer a Feebate solution along with a Global Warming Impact Fee (carbon fee ...).)

      And, there is the serious question as to UAW influence and priorities ...

      Dingell's staff says he will also hold hearings on auto industry trade issues and currency manipulation. Alan Reuther, legislative director for the United Auto Workers, which has opposed mandated fuel-economy increases, said lawmakers could rally behind legislation promoting advanced vehicle technologies and expanding the markets for ethanol and diesel fuels.

      Will the UAW continue to follow the Big Three (or, perhaps, the not so Big Three now, with Toyota soon to take over mantle ...) over the cliff?  Seems that US carmakers have followed the classic Innovation Dilemma for big business, which is they continued to invest in the "upper right" arena of greater profits where they thought that they had advantage over upstarts.  Sadly, the upper right in their case (luxury SUVs, BIG power now -- but bigger cars, writ large, for past 40 years) is both decreasing in size as the upstarts move into their product areas successfully and is a (we hope) a dying market space as gas/other prices will drive this market down as a relative share of market place.

      There is the sentence that I love reading over and over again ...

      The possible shift in Congress on energy issues may be summed up in one race: House Resources Committee Chairman Richard W. Pombo (R-Calif.), who received substantial contributions from oil and gas companies, lost his seat to Jerry McNerney, who runs a start-up company that hopes to make wind turbines.

      McNerney, who received money from me early and often ...

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