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  •  Any of those things (0+ / 0-)

    I don't really care what the point of contention is, I object more to the rather violently expressed notion that Carville (or anyone else) shouldn't be allowed to say what they think

    •  Well, sure, it's pretty distasteful (2+ / 0-)
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      to a democratically-minded body of Democrats to impose gag orders on anyone.  People at dKos itself don't like being told to Shut Their F-ing Pie Hole, for example.

      But at the same time, I don't see how it's particularly productive for Carville to rain on the Dem's parade right now.  It's obnoxious, for one -- it's like the erstwhile team captain who watches the newbie lead the team to victory, saying, "Phht... I could have done it better."  That's like so totally obnoxious!

      Over and beyond that, it does something that Republicans are loathe to do:  break the party's united front.  Carville shouldn't be made to shut up, but does he need to share his critical musings openly with reporters?  Is that what Rove or Norquist do?  Can you imagine some prominent RNC advisor stepping in front of reporters immediately after the '94 victory and saying, "well, if they'd followed MY idea, we could have picked up 80 seats"?

      No one should be made to shut up.  But I reserve the right to say that they're an idiot for shooting their mouth off at the wrong time, and in front of the wrong audience.

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 12:54:43 PM PST

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      •  I support at 100% (0+ / 0-)

        doing things Republicans are loathe to do!  What Rove/Norquist do just got a resounding "NO" from the majority of Americans..

        Plus for most folks this is inside baseball, at this particular moment, the voters just let us know what they think & a Carville vs Dean public argument is not going to turn things around and put the GOP back in power.  (I do think putting Murtha at majority leader post wouldn't help us on the ethics reform front though)

        •  have you ever met Howard Dean? (0+ / 0-)

          just curious, because you appear to have no idea who or what he is about. Free speech is great. Ignorance and lies are not.

          Please explain at least possibility where Carville could conceivably be right re his castigations of dean's choices/ Please be specific. Free speech and all.

          •  I haven't met Dean personally. (0+ / 0-)

            I started participating in the blogosphere via the Dean for America blog in summer 2003.  If the archives of that are still around anywhere you are free to check, I don't know if they are or not.  That's how I found Daily Kos (pre Scoop era) in the first place.  I went to Dean for American meetups and organizing events in Rhode Island, summer 2003 - early 2004.  I heard him speak at a small high school in New Hampshire, late 2003.

            Carville could be right in that the DNC's plan is sound, but implementation is not.  Or in that strategically, it's more wise to put up enough money to win more seats in the current climate, so favorable to us, than use all the money for long term party building.  He could be right.  It's about strategy and use of resources and what he sees as far as how DNC resources are being used and what potential it has.

      •  Again and again (0+ / 0-)

        It is the corporate media.
        It is the filter (gag) that screens out serious Democrats and promotes the corporation kissers exclusive venues.
        It is becoming even worse.  The ABC news division seemed on an even keel.  Anybody watched it in in the past few days?

        The corporate media is the enemy.

    •  He can say whatever the fuck he wants (6+ / 0-)

      behind closed doors with the powers that be.

      But carrying on this very public pissing match is harmful to the party. It's destructive. It feeds into the narrative of Dems in disarray. It does no one any good.

      If he has real, valid concerns about the way the DNC is being run, he has the ears of the people who need to hear it. Taking his fight to the press is distasteful and destructive.

      "I have a philosophy about elections. I believe issues divide and values unite."--Gov. Brian Schweitzer

      by Joan McCarter on Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 01:07:25 PM PST

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