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  •  turkey guts, feedlot runoff and old tires- oh my (1+ / 0-)
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    I've bumped into a number of articles on thermal depolymerization.   It takes organic material--richer than most plant stuff and breaks it down to produce anything from the equivalent of light sweet crude to whatever with extra dumps of minerals and extra carbons.

    I wonder if I have been more information on it or if has been hidden     .or if this s what the oil companies have been working on.  ??

    I haven't read all the comments so someone else might have mentioned this.  Just think about making fuel while cleaning up some mountains of tires or using feedlot manure instead of trying to dump into the sewers or ground water.

    Another great one, OC.   Hasn't anyone offered you a syndicated oolumn yet?  Their loss if not.

    Maybe you could run this by your Dad?   It sounded like a great idea when I saw it.   Possibly expensive to set up, but given the benefits......  I probably have fewer than a third of whatever chem engineering credits than you do.   none/3  grin

    "America! America! God mend thine ev'ry flaw; Confirm thy soul in self-control, thy liberty in law! -- Katharine Lee Bates, "America The Beautiful" (1893)

    by maybeeso in michigan on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 12:10:37 PM PST

    •  "thermal depolymerization" isn't a solution (2+ / 0-)
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      maybeeso in michigan, willers

      And neither is biofuels, frankly.  At least, if we think want to maintain an extremely energy intensive (wasteful) lifestyle, we are going to be very surprised.  

      The US DOE comissioned a report to look at several energy possibilities (peak oil, for want of a better term).  This is often called, the "Hirsch Report" to credit the major author. Conclusion was that a massive 'crash program' to replace oil and natural gas would need to be started ten years before fossil fuels started to run out (peak oil). Any less startup time would cause 'huge economic dislocation'.
      You see anyone with the will to do this? Peak oil is probably here. If not now, likely within five years.

      Oh, and the "TDP" links.... go to and look around the forums... thermal depolymerization has had an ongoing thread for a couple of years now.  The only pilot plant in operation (the turkey guts one) was closed almost a year ago, due to poor economics, poor quality oil, and a god-awful smell.... really bad, even by turkey guts standards.

      Nope, guys.... we're gonna have to conserve, period. Combining ALL the rest of the wind, solar, biofuels, coal to gas, etc. schemes will slow our future 'low energy' lifestyle.  But we WILL have to initiate a HUGE 'forced conservation' lifestyle within a few short years.  No getting around it, sorry.

      Tell a friend.

      "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, every post WWII US President would have been hanged." =Chomsky

      by abenjaminc on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 12:47:52 PM PST

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      •  Conservation is "easiest" and best. But it is (2+ / 0-)
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        not enough alone.  No one or two or several are enough.  We need to be looking at it from all angles.  Sixty mpg or so-cars and well built energy efficient homes are the basic conservation needed.  Also, fewer plastic toys and household bits     for starters.

        An old science fiction story that i'm still looking for had people making their livings mining old garbage dumps for plastics and other organics for use in medicies and other necessities.

        "America! America! God mend thine ev'ry flaw; Confirm thy soul in self-control, thy liberty in law! -- Katharine Lee Bates, "America The Beautiful" (1893)

        by maybeeso in michigan on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 12:56:00 PM PST

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    •  looks like someone else answered you (0+ / 0-)

      but it's still worth mentioning to my dad. I haven't taken a real science class since high school - it was my most hated subject - so I wouldn't be shocked if I had the worst grip on it of everyone here :) I got out of college science requirements by taking a few anthro's that counted as science and a course called Biology of Dinosaurs.

      How are you doing lately? Say hi to your granddaughters for me.

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      by OrangeClouds115 on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 09:26:37 PM PST

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