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  •  Tipping point ... (4+ / 0-)
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    I waver between being a pessimistic optimist or an optimistic pessimist.  Thus, I wonder whether we will ever reach a tipping point toward a better tomorrow or not ...

    I've had moments of thinking that such tipping points are occurring.  The Washington Post seems to be just passing such a tipping point, with a number of OPEDs and articles re energy and global warming increasing significantly, both in their power and in frequency. Now, there are still problems, but the change is occurring.  

    Having a bi-partisan letter on this -- just as control of Congress is about to flip -- could be important.  That it is in the pages of the WSJ could be a strong signal.  But, it also could be a strong signal that "oversight" from Congress might extend not just to the Administration ...

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    by A Siegel on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 10:17:27 AM PST

    •  It just might be too late (1+ / 0-)
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      America's "moral authority" is swirling counterclockwise in a Shell Station toilet and even if we were to make an effort to decrease emissions here - Would we do anything about our WalMart shopping cart in China?

      Oh, hell no.

      I suspect that Earth really doesn't care. She's the same self balancing ecosystem that gave us Trilobites and Giant Sloths and glow in the dark jellyfish.

      Perhaps humanity will pull a Star Trek pilot, The Menagerie(?) and go underground like so many Morlocks and grow their telepathic powers.

      I've simply stopped caring. It's somewhat freeing.

      It's somewhat entertaining to guess what the talking, tool-making monkeys will do next.

      "Intelligent discontent is the mainspring of civilization" - Eugene Debs -8.88 -5.08

      by SecondComing on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:54:45 PM PST

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      •  Like Jerome -- for example -- (1+ / 0-)
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        children and thoughts of future (hopes for it) make me care.

        Now, I do know people (without kids) who basically tell me "yeah, you're right, but I'll be dead before it matters" ...

        Looking your young children in the eyes doesn't allow one to "stop" caring.

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        by A Siegel on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:08:19 PM PST

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        •  People still believe (1+ / 0-)
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          That all these catastrophes are more than one human lifetime away?

          People have had that attitude for several human lifetimes. I am still in the minority in believing that  we may be in hot shit as soon as 2012?

          Not with global warming per se but with energy independence, oil prices rising, the dollar crashing, American depression leading to worldwide depression, return to jungle king eating each other animal days?

          Or am I just catastrophizing?

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