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  •  It's kind of off-topic (3+ / 0-)
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    viedunchat, bustacap, Anna M

    Bashing Senators on unrelated matters when they're doing something worthwhile is counterproductive.

    Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

    by Cream Puff on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 11:40:10 AM PST

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    •  then don't read my comments (2+ / 0-)
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      Jerome a Paris, suicide blonde

      and don't bash me for participating in Jerome's diaries, which I read and comment on whether or not they are recommended. I comment early, and I comment often.

      There's nothing wrong with questioning the track record of two Senators who befriended each other on the Senate Select Intelligence Committee (Rockefeller is chairman-elect) and who have both, each in their own way, bet on the wrong side of the biggest foreign policy blunder of the last 50 years.

      Did Jerome know about Rockefeller's unusual (and deeply disturbing) vote against habeas corpus and for torture? I'm betting no, based on his comment. And from what I've observed of both Senators, you can bet that their call to account from the oil companies is not based on shared populist principles. This is a call to account within safe corporate limits.

      With Snowe, there's always a catch. And lately, so far as Jay Rockefeller is concerned, I fear the catch may be that Americans will never get to the bottom of how deeply our Constitution has been gutted.

      •  I did not know (3+ / 0-)
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        and I'm sorry if I sounded dismissive, I wasn't. As I said, I understand that such votes can be enough to take away all or most credibility from them. So you're right to bring it up in any case, as part of the context, and as something that potentially colors their motivations.

        On its own, their letter is a good thing. where it will lead to in terms of actual action, I don't know, and possibly that depends on what their intentions are.

        •  you weren't dismissive, Jerome (4+ / 0-)

          Rockefeller is about to become Chairman of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, and there's something very wrong about that. Like Olympia Snowe, Rockefeller was one of 77 Senators who voted for the Iraq Resolution in October 2002, despite knowing it was a fait accompli since 9/11. Rockefeller stated in November 2005 (on Fox News) that he had taken "a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11."

          So what's going on here? Rockefeller slices and dices, as if the question of going to war really depended on whether Saddam's aluminum tubes really could be used for uranium centrifuges.

          But Rockefeller knows that's a red herring, of course. And with his vote on the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (McCain's "torture compromise"), he's already voted against holding Bush to account for any violation of the Constitution on torture. He's voted for torture, in fact, and for military tribunals of any American declared outside the law at the President's whim.

          Really, what is going on here? Maybe it's because my mother was friends with a Rockefeller in college (who changed her name), and I knew another one myself. You'll just have to color me skeptical about this family....

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