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  •  Socialist Oil (1+ / 0-)
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    exreaganite

    The WSJ is against regulations, and new bureaucracies, and I tend to agree with them on that point. A new energy bureau, like the medicare payment system which has ruined our healthcare, is not the answer.
    we need to simplify and subsidize.

    as far as energy goes that means doing what we have been doing, (deficit spending to pay for energy - yes thats what its really all about, including and especially the war in Iraq, if Bush werent such a screwup oil would be coming out of Iraq right now and our troops would be home - in a much different way)

    paying for energy in a capitalist for profit system is really dumb. you just invite middleman like Exxon, to come in and gouge you. every other country in the world has nationalised their energy, we let the oil companies rip us off, and then pay the Arabs in phony US dollars to make the books balance. (only they are our dollars too)

    so the WSJ only has half of it right. the other half, which some Repubs suggested was energy vouchers. but the first step in the transition of the American Republic to the United Socialist States of America took its first timid steps under George Bush.

    Free Credit for everybody.

    Later there was free energy, free healthcare, and free food and clothing. Once the government gives away free energy then they can control how much people use.

    so you see, my little ducklings, the answer to the problem of global warming is not more expensive oil (through new taxes and bloated inefficent central government borrowing for stupid wars, and all the hardware to fight them, but through government borrowing to directly subsidize energy to the consumer, which puts money in the pockets of consumers and increases tax revenues)

    we dont even have to socialize the oil companies, simply control consumption, by subsidizing directly, without costly bureaucracies.

    then we can begin to get a handle on global warming.    

    "Everything is chrome in the future..." Sponge Bob Square Pants

    by agent double o soul on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:07:45 PM PST

    •  Comrade, Big Oil is already quasi-socialist..... (7+ / 0-)

      They extract over $60 billion of oil and gas from PUBLIC LANDS every year, and pay(really underpay) pitiful royalties to the government. And you must add the hundreds of billions of taxpayer money to defend and stabilize their OPEC accomplices.

      •  doubly correct (1+ / 0-)
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        under bush socialist policies have been designed for the benefit of the corporation instead of the people.
        how ironic.

        i wonder how long will those poor suckers in China put up with their socalled Sccialist government, when the rivers and and the air are polluted and the wealth gap is widening. what the hell kind of socialism is that?

        i also think our democratic congress should pass new spending bills, healthcare, minimum wage, along with PAYGO, and simply make everybody else (the pentagon) cut their spending to make the budget balance.

        "Everything is chrome in the future..." Sponge Bob Square Pants

        by agent double o soul on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:59:02 PM PST

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    •  I'm not sure what you are saying (2+ / 0-)
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      viedunchat, Leila

      paying for energy in a capitalist for profit system is really dumb. you just invite middleman like Exxon, to come in and gouge you. every other country in the world has nationalised their energy, we let the oil companies rip us off

      ENI has been privatized
      Statoil is now 30% private
      Total is private
      BP is private
      Royal Dutch/Shell is private
      Repsol is private

      The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

      by deathsinger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 02:19:15 PM PST

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      •  so they are getting ripped off too (0+ / 0-)

        okay you find something that everybody needs, then you allow a company to form a monopoly in that product. since there are high barriers to entry, you and I cant start an oil company, these guys get a free ride, pay millions to shareholders, billions to CEOs and say what the hell, we dont need to look for new oil were making plenty on the oil we have

        its not that hard to see that every day you are paying the CEOs and the shareholders (who never put one nickel of investment capital in the company) for the right to use their energy, which as one write put it, they should be paying royalties on to the US government.

        so Europe is getting ripped off too, I dont feel so bad...

        "Everything is chrome in the future..." Sponge Bob Square Pants

        by agent double o soul on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 07:34:09 PM PST

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