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  •  Lindsey's totally wrong on entitlements (7+ / 0-)

    I think LIBERTARIAN arguments could be made for Social Security and single-payer health care - not "Libertarian Party" arguments or Ayn Rand social Darwinist wannabe crap, but serious discussion of the value of a safety net for FREEDOM.

    (Oh, and Lindsey being wrong... shrink the fracking military budget to something liberals and libertarians can agree on and the spare money for entitlements goes WAY up)

    Take this example... say, you want to start your own business.  That's a classic small-L libertarian dream, and something liberals equally support.  The problem is, if you have a small business it's VERY hard to get health insurance, and impossible to get it in a way cost-competitive with large corporations and their negotiating power.  And since insurance is such a hassle and expense, it's also hard to hire employees for your small but growing business!  So universal health care, run as an entitlement program, makes us MORE FREE.  We can take breaks from our jobs, or start new businesses, without fear for our very lives and livelihoods.  THAT is how you sell it to libertarians.

    They hate us for our freedoms. So if we stop being free, they stop hating us? Is THAT the plan?

    by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 08:55:37 AM PST

    •  GOOD POINT. (3+ / 0-)
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      I am self-employed and have one assistant. Thank God, my wife works for a big corporation that provides health coverage for our whole family, and my assistant is over 65, so she's on Medicare. Otherwise, I'd be up the creek for health care.

      -4.25, -4.87 "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." -- Mark Twain

      by HeyMikey on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 09:28:03 AM PST

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      •  libertarian is about FREEDOM, not taxes! (2+ / 0-)
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        That's how the argument must be framed.  And I think it can be easily done... the libertarian-inclined have been totally screwed by the GOP and are willing to listen, if the Democrats can make new and appealing arguments.

        They hate us for our freedoms. So if we stop being free, they stop hating us? Is THAT the plan?

        by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 09:32:06 AM PST

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