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  •  Actually (7+ / 0-)

    Given that Bush invited Hakim to the White House, it's likely that the coming coup will be at Bush's behest.  What does the name Ngo Dinh Diem mean to you?  

    •  Diem... (7+ / 0-)

      Ngo Dinh Diem--

      On orders from U.S. President John F. Kennedy, Henry Cabot Lodge, the American ambassador to South Vietnam, refused to meet with Diệm. Upon hearing that a coup d'etat was being designed by ARVN Generals led by General Dương Văn Minh, the United States gave secret assurances to the generals that the U.S. would not interfere. Dương Văn Minh and his fellow plotters overthrew the government and executed President Diệm and his younger brother, Ngô Đình Nhu, on November 2, 1963. The United States publicly expressed shock and disappointment that Diệm had been killed.

      ...When Madame Nhu, visiting the United States at the time, learned of the coup d'état, she immediately identified the United States as the perpetrator. She later said, "Whoever has the Americans as allies does not need enemies." Madame Nhu went on to predict a dark future for Vietnam and that, by being involved in the coup, the troubles of the United States in Vietnam were only beginning.

      •  This is the real parallel (6+ / 0-)

        And, remember that Sadr can get help from Iran.

        The wise are driven by reason; ordinary minds, by experience; the stupid, by necessity, and brutes by instinct. Cicero

        by MoDem on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 07:31:13 PM PST

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        •  My question is.... (0+ / 0-)

          Do you think Iran will retaliate by attacking us here in the US?  

          That is my REAL concern with this situation.  The PERFECT EXCUSE for Bush to declare martial law.  

          We all know he wants to.

          We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.

          by Eyes Wide Open on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 08:08:54 PM PST

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          •  No. (2+ / 0-)
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            Iran strikes me as being less of a loose cannon than BushCo rhetoric would have us believe. While their ostensible belligerence is cause for concern regionally, it seems unlikely they'd be so reckless as to attack us. I suspect they're more shrewd than that. Beyond that, we may need them as open or hidden partners in ongoing efforts to quell the chaos in Iraq. Iran knows this, and may use this dynamic as leverage this in times to come.

          •  Oh no (4+ / 0-)

            they prefer Hakim and SCIRI to Sadr, by a country mile. This is Iran's moment, when their actual Iraqi partners ascend to power.  They'll do business with Sadt as a matter of necessity inthose parts of Iraq where SCIRI is weak, but he's far too much an Iraqi and Arab nationalist for their taste.  Another thing to include in understanding at this point is the complex web of relations among the Kurds and the various governments.  Iran has always cultivated connections with the Iraqi Kurds for their own purposes, so they'll have strong contacts among that faction as well.  Since the likely successor government will be a SCIRI-Kurdish alliance, perhaps flavored with Allawi types as a sop to the US, this is the moment when Iran climbs into the Iraqi driver's seat.

            •  "Iran climbs into the Iraqi driver's seat." (4+ / 0-)

              For more on that angle, here's an LA Times article titled, "Iran looks like the winner of the Iraq war"--

              The report issued last week by the blue-ribbon Iraq Study Group provides fresh proof of Iran's strengthened hand in the Middle East since the U.S.-led invasion: It mentions the Islamic Republic more than 50 times and makes clear that the U.S. will have to seek Iran's help for any resolution.

              "The report told the Iranians, You are mighty now in the region and in Iraq. The Iranians feel now they are untouchable," said Mustafa Alani, director of security and terrorism studies at the Gulf Research Center, an independent think tank in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

              •  Wow! That ties stuff together neatly (4+ / 0-)

                I'm so used to thinking in terms of the Bush neocons, I forgot how subtle and calculating Poppy's crew are.

                It mentions the Islamic Republic more than 50 times and makes clear that the U.S. will have to seek Iran's help for any resolution.  

                They know what they're doing and they're dropping their fait accompli in Junior's lap.  Wow.  Now I have to ask, who set up Hakim's visit with Dubya?  Heh.  Do I expect to find Poppy, Baker and the boys at the end of that particular string?  Yes I do.  (Apologies for the Rumsfeldian phrasing.)  

            •  Thank you! One more question... (1+ / 0-)
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              Aren't the Saudi's freaking out over the fact that they are being absolutely displaced in Iraq?

              We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.

              by Eyes Wide Open on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 08:56:06 PM PST

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