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  •  Yeah (none)
    We're just as bad as Saddam and his sons -- no question.

    I mean, we constantly feed people who oppose our government into wood chippers, and gas our own citizens...

    What am I doing on DailyKos? I'm Running for the Right...

    by RFTR on Mon May 10, 2004 at 04:45:38 PM PDT

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    •  I agree (none)
      America is not nearly as bad as Stalin, Saddam, Fidel, etc.

      But we look bad when we claim to be freeing the Iraqi people, yet we're torturing them at the same time.

      Plus, don't forget less than 50 yrs. ago, the U.S. government denied syphilis and fed radioactive isotopes to developmentally challenged people.

      So there is definitely a disconnect between rhetoric and reality.

      Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? -- G. W. Bush

      by Unstable Isotope on Mon May 10, 2004 at 04:58:36 PM PDT

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      •  oops (none)
        ...denied syphilis treatment to African American servicemen...

        Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? -- G. W. Bush

        by Unstable Isotope on Mon May 10, 2004 at 05:04:33 PM PDT

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      •  Yes (4.00)
        these terrible things have been done, and by our government.  But to call the US the greatest purveyor of violence on the face of the Earth at any time in its history is pure fiction.  We're not the most peaceful, but we're certainly not the most violent, either.

        What am I doing on DailyKos? I'm Running for the Right...

        by RFTR on Mon May 10, 2004 at 05:06:15 PM PDT

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        •  Agree with you there (none)
          that was MLK's quote.  Part of America's greatness is its self-correcting nature.  It may be slow (look at Jim Crow), but it happens.  I hope we can show the world this nature in regards to the Abu Ghraib scandal.

          Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? -- G. W. Bush

          by Unstable Isotope on Mon May 10, 2004 at 05:09:58 PM PDT

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          •  It is. (none)
            And it's at testament to the American people who came before us, and the American people now that the self-improvement continues to come.

            Did you read Bill Safire's column in today's NYT?  Read especially the last few paragraphs... I like that he says:

            The United States shows the world its values by investigating and prosecuting wrongdoers high and low.

            Let's just hope that through diligence we can drive our government to hold responsible everyone who is responsible.

            What am I doing on DailyKos? I'm Running for the Right...

            by RFTR on Mon May 10, 2004 at 07:21:15 PM PDT

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        •  Hypocrisy (none)
          But to call the US the greatest purveyor of violence on the face of the Earth at any time in its history is pure fiction.  

          Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The wholesale slaughter of aboriginal Americans. Conquest of portions of Mexico. Internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII. Tuskeegee. How many deaths in South America, Central America, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East? All the fault of Americans. Perhaps the difference between the US and other monsters of history is less one of kind and more of degree.

          Also the hypocrisy sits ill with me. We invade a sovereign nation in the name of human rights, while we violate those rights, and violate sixty year old international law in order to do so. Never were so many bald lies told in support of something supposedly so righteous.

          Add a teaspoon of wine to a barrel of sewage, and you have a barrel of sewage. Add a teaspoon of sewage to a barrel of wine, and you have a barrel of sewage.

    •  It's not so much that we're worse... (none)
      We aren't, of course.  It's that we've gotten to the point that we have to defend our actions with, "Saddam's torture was worse!"  The fact that we need to compare ourselves to the previous regime in Iraq to look good is a failure in of itself.
    •  Why does anybody (none)
      take RFTR seriously? From his blog :

      "It should be pointed out that the prisoners at Abu Ghraib are not Boy Scouts rounded up for jaywalking. These are bad guys who either blew up or shot a coalition member; or were caught assembling an explosive device; or were caught in a place where the makings of explosive devices were found; or were caught with a cache of weapons. See the pattern here?
      In short they were trying to kill me and others like me. And if they succeeded in doing that, they were going to come over here and try to kill you.
      Ugly thought? You bet. But that is the kind of prisoner being held in the terrorist section at Abu Ghraib."

      He was there. Maybe we should listen to what he has to say.

      Didn't I hear somewhere  that 70-90% of Abu Ghraib prisoners had been arrested by mistake?

      Folks, this guy is a troll.  Please don't encourage him.

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