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  •  Lie: a statement that deviates from or perverts (3+ / 0-)
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    zeke L, rabel, CTPatriot

    the truth.

    Some definitions include that the deception is deliberate, others do not. In any case, there was no evidence to support the accusation against Lamont. Even on the day of the primary, within 1-2 hours, a number of bloggers had figured out that there was no DOS attack and that the likely cause was the total inadequacy of Lieberman's website. So, yes, to make the initial accusation was a ?perhaps nondeliberate lie, and to continue making the accusation after evidence was available showing otherwise, was a lie by any definition.

    •  I was half-wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      Red Tulips

      It's true that you can use the word lie in certain senses that would not imply intentional deception or distortion. One can say that something "puts the lie to" a false claim. So, I will concede that "a lie" is not necessarilty a deliberate untruth." However, to call someone a liar, or to say that someone is lying -- to use the word as a verb ("to lie") -- these uses clearly imply intentional distortion of the truth. They are inappropriately inflammatory when the speaker may be merely unknwingly mistaken.

      "We support your war of terror!" -- Borat Sagdiyev (a/k/a Sacha Baron Cohen)

      by FischFry on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 02:39:59 PM PST

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      •  see above. (2+ / 0-)
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        Lois, CTPatriot

        the initial "false claim" was followed by several hours of repetition, even after it was clear it was untrue. That's a lie by any definition.

        •  Clear to whom? (0+ / 0-)

          If it were so damn clear, the A-G wouldn't have bothered to investigate.

          "We support your war of terror!" -- Borat Sagdiyev (a/k/a Sacha Baron Cohen)

          by FischFry on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 02:47:02 PM PST

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          •  clear to anyone who knew anything about computers (1+ / 0-)
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            CTPatriot

            which presumably included at least someone on Lieberman's staff, who presumably was providing real time reports about the snafu. In any case, as you surely remember, they had a statement up on the website blaming Lamont. Whoever put up the statement knew the website wasn't down due to a DOS or other hostile attack. So, LIE remains the correct word, no matter how much you want to weasel out of it.

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