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  •  They went "to Hell" for the Bush Administration (2+ / 0-)
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    truong son traveler, willb48

    Sure the ICU is pressing women and putting children into combat, but then the conditions before the ICU were far worse. Women, instead of being repressed, were raped. People were shot without facing justice. Children were being used in combat before the ICU, and are being used by the opposition now.
       If you want a measuring stick, look at what the people of Somalia want. They are overwhelmingly behind the ICU. If that doesn't count for much, then you are probably also puzzled by the conflict in Iraq where the people are fighting an occupier and puppet government.

    "A man who won't die for something isn't fit to live." -MLK

    by gjohnsit on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 06:42:22 PM PST

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    •  Yeah, And the Taliban Were Initially Popular (3+ / 0-)
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      evilrick, hilltopper, willb48

      That wore off pretty quickly.

      People generally prefer order to chaos, but excessive and repressive order wears thin very quickly.

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 06:54:25 PM PST

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      •  Projection (0+ / 0-)

        "excessive and repressive order wears thin very quickly"

        With Americans used to freedom coupled with security.
        For people accustomed to years of corruption, armed conflict and anarchy, repressive order is a tonic.

        The Afghanis did not overthrow the Taliban because of popular resistance to their repression and retrogressive world view.  Does anyone think that if the US/UN were to leave Afghanistan, the Afghanis would stand up against the Taliban?

        Although we should be idealistically be committed to Western principles of freedom, imposing freedom on foreign states militarily (proxy support of Ethiopian aggression) is not a good idea.  Did we not learn anything from Iraq?

    •  Real easy choice to be behind the group (0+ / 0-)

      pointing the guns at you.

      How do you know Women are not being raped by the ICU?

      Overwhelmingly behind the ICU?

      •  Who's pointing the guns? (1+ / 0-)
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        truong son traveler

        Somalia isn't pointing guns at Ethiopia. At least they weren't until Ethiopia actually invaded.
          And as for the raping of women, I leave that to be answered by the complete lack of those claims being made by the ICU's rivals, and by the fact that these guys really are religious.

         So the question is: why are you creating strawmen?

        "A man who won't die for something isn't fit to live." -MLK

        by gjohnsit on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 10:07:38 PM PST

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