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  •  Sorry, Edwards isn't going to be the nominee (0+ / 0-)

    I am a Obama supporter, former Clarkie, former Deaniac.

    But, John Edwards isn't going to capture the nomination.

    He can't win in Iowa or New Hampshire with Obama in the race. Edwards better pray Obama doesn't enter.

    Because it's going to be tough to beat him. Then Hillary in New England.

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    by djm4america on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 08:24:09 PM PST

    •  c'mon (0+ / 0-)

      Obama is all gravy for Edwards. Obama's rhetoric right now tends to echo Edwards's work and rhetoric on poverty, economic justice and America's role in the world.

      Plus the schedule is IA, where it is currently Edwards's race to lose, Nevada home to 60,000 plus UNITE Here workers, NH where he only has to come in in the top three and SC his home state that went for him 45-30 last time even though Kerry was inevitable at that point. Are you kidding me that it's Obama's to lose?

      I like that Obama is getting in, he's an inspirational speaker and I love that he, like Edwards, is the embodiment of the American dream and talks about hope, morality and what it means to be an American, just like Edwards.

      •  Edwards can't beat Obama (0+ / 0-)

        He can't. I am NOT a big polls person, like most Edwards folks have been. But, Obama is now tied with Edwards in Iowa, and dead heat with Hillary in NH.

        And he doesn't even have 100% name ID yet.

        Ouch. All I am saying is..

        Obama is a force that most people don't want to believe yet. Especially the Edwards & Hillary faithful.

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        by djm4america on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 08:34:46 PM PST

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        •  Edwards can win (7+ / 0-)

          Edwards can beat Hillary and Obama both. It's not about practicality or the polls. It's about the message.

          •  Obama's Message (1+ / 0-)
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            "Senator Edwards, you were wrong about Iraq.

            Senator Clinton, you were wrong about Iraq.

            We need a President who looks out for the best interest of the average American.

            That's what I will provide as your Commander in Chief.

            I am Barack Obama!"

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            by djm4america on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 08:47:57 PM PST

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          •  Exactly (5+ / 0-)

            I think that Obama has a very good message also, but Edwards has been honing his for 3 years now. I also don't see that any other candidate has two important pieces to their platforms: Universal health care and support for service unions across the boards in this country.

            Edwards has said often that the service unions, affecting 50-60 million workers, can and should be supported in building the middle class of this century just like the industrial unions did it in the last century. No one else has that.

            Edwards also has a very appealing message on morality. Who in the Democratic party today talks about morality? Obama talks about his faith, but I think that's different. Edwards talks about the void in moral leadership that this country is suffering through vis a vis Katrinas and poverty, foreign policy and America's role in the world and energy independence. It's a message that appeals equally to religious voters and secular liberals interested in social justice. It's very clever.

            •  Edwards/Obama '08 (2+ / 0-)
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              That's my ticket. Clark as first alternate. Or maybe Edwards/Clark with Obama as first alternate. I'm wildly enthusiastic about Edward's populist economics. "Two Americas" -- that captures the whole issue in just two words. Fucking brilliant. I even think it can even overcome his pro-Iraq war vote. Really unfortunate, that.

              But what I'm even more excited about is how many excellent candidates we have. I could even hold my nose & tolerate HRC. I think we'll crush them next time around, no matter who they put up.

              •  I used to very much favor that (3+ / 0-)
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                but I think that Obama is a media creation.  

                They made him, and they will break him.

                I'd really like to see an Edwards/Brown (Sherrod, Senator from Ohio)ticket.

                People want populists, and I think that most people have moved past mistake Edwards made voting for the war.  I also think that unless they were in the Senate or House at the time and voted no, talking about it makes other candidates look hypocritical.  They weren't in a position where they had to make that decision.  Hindsight is 20/20, and unless you were there, saying that you would have acted differently is just talk.  And talk is cheap.

        •  Obama is a very serious candidate (0+ / 0-)

          but he's no match for Edwards. The person you have to start watching in Iowa is Vilsack. He's getting a real serious crew together on the ground for his bid. If you read the Iowa blogs, they're talking about him more than anything else at this point.

        •  Obama can't win in the general election (5+ / 0-)

          That's the problem with him. He is great in my book, but if you think he can win the presidency in this country then you are sniffing glue. Racism is still alive and well. There is no way an African American with an immigrant name is going to get elected. Even in 2008. It is just not going to happen.

    •  It's obvious that you do not support Edwards... (7+ / 0-)

      yet feel threatened enough to have to crash the diary.

      I have news for you.  Edwards's supporters know he voted to authorize Bush to act.  We also know he said it was a mistake.

      By the way, we also know that Bush lied and was the one who started the war preemptively.

      •  All the leading candidates (3+ / 0-)
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        have their official or self-appointed spokespeople that rush into all the other candidate diaries.  Just a fact of life.

        I'm not going to get wrapped up in the pre-priary silly season stuff too much myself.  I'm going to be invensting the bulk of my political energies over the next year in antiwar activism, and choose a candidate next fall.  That doesn't keep me from having an early read on things, though. :-)

        Edwards will be a strong candidate.  I don't think he'll get the early round sweep his supporters are hoping for, though.  OTOH, no one else will either.  Vilsack monkey-wrenches Iowa.  There's likely to be a bunch at the top there, Vilsack, Edwards, Obama, maybe Hillary.  Watch out for Clark in NH.  The Shea-Porter campaign pulled together a whole bunch of the 2004 Clarkies and Deaniacs, and working together they pulled  off one of the most stunning wins of the year.  They've felt their collective power as a unit and are likely to try to hold their organization together as well as they can.  Clark gets the inside track with that group, and ground matters big time there.  I suspect that NH is where Hillary hits the wall.  NH voters are notoriuosly independent, and particularly when it comes to figures seen as representing the Washington establishment.  Nevada is interesting if Richardson gets in, otherwise it should be an Edwards walk.  Since I think Richardson will run, I expect both of those two to do well there.  SC gets set up as a major showdown between Edwards and Obama, with Clark perhaps a factor if he does pull off a win in NH.  I know party officialdom would hate it, but I think an extended primary campaign would be good for America.  It would give the Democrats an extended period of attention while digging through the incredible mess that Bush has made of America.  It could be very educational for the citizens.

        Of course if Gore gets in, all bets are off.

        Power lines have surges; unwinnable wars have escalations.

        by ActivistGuy on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 10:15:18 PM PST

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        •  Funny you should mention Carol Shea-Porter. (1+ / 0-)
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          I met her and some of her campaign staff at an AFL-CIO Labor Day breakfast last September. I got interviews with both the candidate and then a group interview with her staff:

          Video: NH Grassroots

          They did pull off a stunning victory. Porter was a Clarkie in 2004 and her campaign for NH-01 was never supported by the DCCC, yet she won with only 30,000 spent in a primary and a pittance in the general against R-Incumbent Jeb Bradley. It'll be interesting to see what happens next. I'll be at the Portsmouth NH event on Friday. I hope to see some of them again and check back in with the people who told me, on the clip, "our offices are on the street corners."  

      •  Edwards supporters are okay with his lies (1+ / 3-)
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        I am not. Edwards is a political slimeball. He chooses what not to support based on the latest poll.

        Why do I say this? He was for the war when it was popular, and then op-ed his way out of it in fall 2005 when it was not.

        Please. Please don't tell me you buy the line

        "We were mislead"

        Come on! Edwards was a damn United States Senator, with a law degree. He's not stupid.

        He knew Iraq was no threat.

        And yet it took him pretty much 3 years to come clean, barely.

        Weak.

        I want courage and strength in my President.

        Not more of the same political bullshit.

        The American people are tired of it too.

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        by djm4america on Wed Dec 27, 2006 at 04:27:29 AM PST

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    •  who are you for if Obama doesn't run? Clark (0+ / 0-)

      again?

    •  Obama has gotten a free ride from the media (0+ / 0-)

      even people in the media know it...

      Obama has voted with Hillary on Iraq since he has been in the senate..

      Obama had a chance to vote for pulling troops out - - the Kerry amendment  - and he voted not too..

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