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  •  Bush will be stopped by rebellious Rethugs (5+ / 0-)

    wanting to avoid a GOP catastrophe, not by the Dems desperately trying to be "electable" - this way they'll undercut the Dems in 2008...
    Any bet takers out there?

    we're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression

    by Lepanto on Wed Dec 27, 2006 at 03:52:43 PM PST

    •  What I call the Hagel nightmare (14+ / 0-)

      I can see this one emerging too.  A faction of the Republicans comes forward as the loudest, strongest most persistant antiwar voices in DC.  There IS a conservative base for that position among the paleocons and the libertarians.  The Dems triangulate on this at their peril.  If a GOP faction is able to steal the march on the Dems as the party that forces Bush out of Iraq, the next few cycles become a disaster for the Democrats.

      Power lines have surges; unwinnable wars have escalations.

      by ActivistGuy on Wed Dec 27, 2006 at 03:58:25 PM PST

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      •  Yep, you've put my thoughts better than I did. (2+ / 0-)
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        Winnie, ActivistGuy

        we're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression

        by Lepanto on Wed Dec 27, 2006 at 04:00:09 PM PST

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      •  hard to envision (1+ / 0-)
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        I see the logic of what you're saying, but I have a hard time believing that a faction of conservative antiwar types could push their agenda through Congress without encountering massive resistance from the White House. Such a scenario could briefly make Hagel a kingmaker in Congress, but my own sense is that the fallout with the Bush/neo-con faction would ultimately render Hagel and others like him radioactive within the GOP.

        •  It would be brutal (2+ / 0-)
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          and one side or the other would end up radioactive.  However, the polling since the election shows that the biggest drop in support for both Bush and the war has been amoang conservaitves.    The paleocons and "Main Street Republicans" have been circling for a while trying to figure out how to take their party back.  If they're serious, this offers them that opportunity.  You're right it would be very nasty, but it probably is the last good chance they'll have.  It's also one, were they to succeed, that would win a reformed GOP big pluses with the general public, and particularly with disaffected conservatives.

          Power lines have surges; unwinnable wars have escalations.

          by ActivistGuy on Wed Dec 27, 2006 at 08:27:12 PM PST

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    •  That's what I have been seeing as well (4+ / 0-)
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      Winnie, auditor, ActivistGuy, moosely2006

      Hagel will be the nominee over McCain and its going to be a battle. The repugs still have one big weapon. They own the media and will use it their advantage.

    •  No Bets Here (2+ / 0-)
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      auditor, ActivistGuy

      I don't like what I'm hearing from the new congress already...and it hasn't even sounded the opening gavel.

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