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    Looks like people are already leaping out of their f-ing pants in a rush to bury this guy.  Is thinking suddenly unnecessary?  I can't believe Caltagirone just woke up this morning and decided to wreck himself.  So lets all jump to conclusions here.
    On second thought, why not ask some f-ing questions?  I would like to know if Caltagirone knew about the Republican abstainers before he made his decision.  That would make his refusal some kind of token protest stunt.  I also want to know why that wasn't the first conclusion everyone here thought of, and why Mr. Cohen is working so hard to stir us away from that idea.  26 comments in under 5 hours?  What's his stake in all this?

    Always happy to be your ed.

    by le5540 on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 11:42:54 PM PST

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    •  Republican abstainers weren't obvious. . . (5+ / 0-)
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      at the start, and there's still no way we can know how this will turn out. I'd say the concern is entirely justified. And Mr. Cohen is perfectly upfront about who he is and why he thinks the issue is important. I don't know why you'd question his motives.

      •  Thank You (0+ / 0-)
        I'm not sure that you'll catch this reply, but I do want to thank you for actually addressing my concerns.  Other responses were...what I expected, honestly, but yours was the one I hoped for.  And while I'm not sure, either, that you really want to know why I would question his motives, it's simply that I feel everyone's should be.  Mine too, why not?  Mr. Cohen was in a position during this discussion to exercise a level of meme dictation rarely seen in a crowd this large, and that sort of power should not come without oversight.  Thanks again.

        Always happy to be your ed.

        by le5540 on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 04:15:16 AM PST

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    •  imo... (7+ / 0-)

      ...if you do something that is seemingly bat-shit crazy, it's your responsibility to explain yourself post haste, not wait for people to ask you quesitons.

    •  And Did You Ask Any Of Those (0+ / 0-)

      "f-ing" questions before posting your ignorant comment?  Those of us who live in the Philly area and read the local blogs know that these questions have been asked; and, you may find it hard to believe, thinking does occur around here.  The diary itself says he is in hiding and refuses to answer any of these questions personally.  We all know the potential abstainers came out of the woodwork after Caltagirone made his intentions known because we have been following this story longer than you have.

      BTW, is it really that hard to figure out what stake the other democrats in the PA state legislature including the diarist have in this issue?  You should probably go back and apply a little more thinking to this issue yourself.

    •  Cohen follows in his political father's footsteps (0+ / 0-)

      and is IMHO developing a profile on dailykos. A state representative is a nice thing to have around here. He writes pretty factual solid accounts of what is going on at the state level in PA.

      So Cohen, how about dumping on those sick disgusting puppy mills in PA? Along with MO the two are the leading puppy mill doggie factory states in the US. And this is how Santorum got liberal votes in PA and how Talent got them in MO in 2000.

      •  Pennsylvania Puppies? (0+ / 0-)

        Actually, Rendell has been very active in reforming the puppy mill business in Pennsylvania. Earlier this year, he fired the entire Dog Law Advisory Board because of non-performance. He then appointed a new board and in October he announced several regulatory changes to deal with the problem. He also assigned  a new Deputy Secretary for dog law enforcement.

        Things are changing on this front, even with a recalcitrant legislature.

        •  Jesse Smith Will Be A Strong Force in the Area (1+ / 0-)
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          In October, Rendell got longtime assistant Attorney General Jesse Smith--a Democrat in the Republican-controlled office--to serve as the top lawyer in dog law enforcement in Pennsylvania.

          I have known her and her husband for about a decade through the Dauphin County Bar Association, and I look forward to working with her to end the inhumanity and consumer fraud associated with puppy mill abuses.

          I would welcome input on specific reforms that should be adopted here.

          Progressive Democrats have done a lot of good for our country in the past, and can do a lot more in the future. Let's keep going strong.

          by State Rep Mark Cohen Dem PA on Sun Dec 31, 2006 at 09:49:28 PM PST

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          •  Input suggestions (0+ / 0-)

            no living in wire floor cages (they are easier to clean and deform their feet) as the breeders end up with deformed feet and can't walk on solid ground.

            One litter a year for the breeder's health is plenty.

            After three years the female can no longer breed. She must be spayed by her owner before she is given away or sold. Too many are given away by "good" puppy mills only to head downward into the pits of puppy mills. Each breeder is her own Black Beauty story.

            A breeder cannot be euthanized just because she cannot be used anymore. A deposit must be set aside for each breeder to pay for her spaying. (This will ensure that she will not be put down secretly as her spaying fee will not be returned.)  She must be given for adoption with the usual vet checks and an adoption fee to cover shots, spaying and worming at cost. This ensures that the adoptee has enough money to keep the animal healthy. Or given to a rescue non-profit licensed group.

            These are off the top of my head and are redundant, but will protect the breeding females and males. We often think of only the females but I have seen male breeders in the most awful condition you can imagine. They are used and used and used for years and years and years and look dead when you get them.

            Rescue groups also need to be inspected. Often they are really awful and belie their name. You cannot depend on them to be clean, careful in their assessment of adoptees, or health conscious.

            We often lose money on an animal. We also have what we call fund raisers, the little ones that are high premium to raise funds for the less adoptable ones. All breeders end up with rotten teeth. Dentals are routinely done on all our rescued breeders. My little HoneyBee had all black teeth when I got her among other horrendous complications. So many that it took a year of love to get her to approach normal and by then I couldn't give her up.

            Keep in touch as I volunteer for a good group and can provide you with lots of info. We spay about 2500 dogs a year. And the problem just keeps getting worse.

            I would also suggest the law enforcement office run constant classifieds promoting rescue adoptions to drive all money breeders out of business. True breeders that are genetically informed and interested in improving the breed are very few and are probably licensed. Promote them to compare them with the slum ones and the backyard pocket money ones. These are sometimes the worst. Hey, I gotta female so let's us put our dogs together and make some puppy money. Cross breeds are now going for big dollars. Pugs/poodles;labradors and poodles;Yorkies and poodles; etc And they have names too. All the poodle mixes are to avoid shedding hair. So a substandard unhealthy poodle can be mixed with an another breed and all of a sudden it is A OK.

            Sorry to go on so long about this but I am involved in it just about every day.

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