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  •  We do need to omit the Duke case (2+ / 0-)
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    Alexander G Rubio, GoldnI

    I think rapists should be castrated by means of hanging. And 99%+ of all rape claims are legitimate. That does not mean that the scant cases that are false claims need to be prosecuted just because it would be wrong to state that a woman never lies.

    All of us lie about something. Some lie about terrible things. Most people don't. The Duke accuser's story has changed multiple times, and before we prosecute these people, we need to get it right.

    A whole bunch of people are in Gitmo right now because we believe the people who sold them out for $10,000. Most of them are likely terrorists, but I would like all the facts in before I pronounce judgement.

    While not as egregious as the "woman deserved it crowd", the ALL claims are valid on their face types are just as wrong. Almost all claims are true. Big difference.

    You can lead a Republican to knowledge, but you can't make him think.

    by trifecta on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 03:17:33 PM PST

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    •  All I'm saying about Duke (2+ / 0-)
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      Swordsmith, Albatross

      Is I don't see why we as a third parties need to speculate about the validity of her claims.

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

      by eugene on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 03:31:52 PM PST

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      •  Other than to say (2+ / 0-)

        She is telling the truth.

        You are speculating that to speculate she is lying is wrong, in effect endorsing her as telling the truth.

        She could have been assaulted. I don't know. That is all I am saying. There are enough questions that I don't want to hang these men by the scrotum at this point.

        Rape is serious, it is a fundamental breach of the social contract and must be vigorously prosecuted. But that also comes with responsibility. I believe in the two witness standard. The woman's testimony, and any supporting physical evidence are two good enough witnesses for me. I give the woman the presumtion of telling the truth and the guy being guilty, unless they keep changing their story like was done in this case. The fact that one of the accused was physically at an ATM on film at the time of the attack certainly doesn't help either.

        You can lead a Republican to knowledge, but you can't make him think.

        by trifecta on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 03:37:35 PM PST

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        •  I am saying (2+ / 0-)
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          Albatross, Picot verde

          That to speculate she is lying is wrong. But that doesn't imply endorsing her as being truthful. What I'm saying is, what business is it of ours to speculate at all?

          I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

          by eugene on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 03:44:18 PM PST

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          •  Do you apply the same standards to (1+ / 0-)
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            all accusations of anyone?

            Do you apply the same standard to say teh NSA surveillance program?!  I mean, you were not there.  You don't know how useful the information is.  You are not the expert in either national security law or fourth amendment law.  yet, I bet you have an opinion on the matter.

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