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  •  Uhm, I'm not getting personal, I'm using a (1+ / 0-)
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    general "you." I don't mean "you" specifically. And no, the chances of ANY person with a high-school degree and no prospects of anything further having ANY understanding what is meant by peer-review is miniscule. If you can, you are a rare exception.Good for you! Now go to college. :-)

    •  loads of crap (4+ / 0-)
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      I scored the highest on the SAT's of anyone in my HS, and make 80-100K a year as a welder in the construction trades.
       PHD just stands for piled higher and deeper, and a large amount of the professionals (engineers and architects) on the job with 5+ years of college can't find their asses with both hands and a luffa.
       A college degree doesn't give you common sense, or logical thinking, just more rote learning. Analytical skills are not conveyed upon a person with a lambskin.

      "the opposite happened"-G.W.Bush

      by keefer55 on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 11:15:45 PM PST

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      •  Thanks. (0+ / 0-)

        Glad to know I'm going to school for "piled higher and deeper."

        Why are we having these pissing contests here, exactly?  I could go to freeperland for that.

        Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

        by gkn on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 11:32:15 PM PST

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        •  For the answer to that question (1+ / 0-)
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          why don't you review your comments?

          "the opposite happened"-G.W.Bush

          by keefer55 on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 11:42:45 PM PST

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          •  ? (0+ / 0-)

            I have no bloody idea what you're talking about.

            Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

            by gkn on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 11:52:45 PM PST

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            •  condesending bullshit from (2+ / 1-)
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              someone with no real world experience-

              Yep, plenty of smart people around with high-school degrees. Almost all of them go on to college, 'cause getting a degree with a high-school diploma as your terminal degree is generally a non-starter if you want to make more than about 12,000 dollars a year

              or how about this gem-

              the chances of ANY person with a high-school degree and no prospects of anything further having ANY understanding what is meant by peer-review is miniscule(sic).

              Please, get out and meet some of the majority of working people that you are disparaging and have you narrow views widened.

              "the opposite happened"-G.W.Bush

              by keefer55 on Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 12:09:41 AM PST

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              •  I DID NOT WRITE THOSE. (0+ / 0-)

                What is your problem?

                Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

                by gkn on Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 12:10:52 AM PST

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              •  The diarist is steve davis. I am gkn. (1+ / 0-)
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                Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

                by gkn on Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 12:13:25 AM PST

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              •  Hey, keefer, in response to this one, why don't (0+ / 0-)

                you display your overwhelming arrogance about your money and your welding experience elsewhere? I spent 5 years after graduate school working straight-commission selling advertising, so I hardly qualify for your pretentious comments about the "real world." You think being a welder making 80k a year qualifies you as a member of the school of hard knocks? Try working a job where "you don't sell, you don't eat" is the m.o. Sheesh! All this for pointing out that most high-school grads don't understand peer-review? Give me a freakin' break....

                •  You both should stop it. (2+ / 0-)
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                  I see arrogance on both sides.

                  Keefer:
                  A lot of us with degrees have done other things. I did factory work for five years before heading off to college for the second time. I worked through college and graduate school at all kinds of jobs, working with all kinds of people, and always left on good terms and with job offers. In my experience, a lot of people with advanced degrees didn't come from the kind of privilege you're assuming.

                  Steve:
                  My father wasn't a high-school graduate, but was intelligent and well-read. In my years outside of academia -- I teach college now -- including my childhood, I knew plenty of people who didn't have the advantage of going on to college but who were highly engaged with the world.

                  •  fiddler, grandad learned how to plow a field (0+ / 0-)

                    when he was 11 years old, and did not go to college because someone had to stay home and manage the farm. My thesis has never been that people who have high-school degrees as their terminal degree can't function in the world or approach it intelligently. My thesis is that those people mostly have no idea what academicians mean by professional requirements like peer review. And no, saying, "I guess it means something got reviewed by your peers" does not qualify as knowing what it entails! :-)

                    •  the point being? (1+ / 0-)
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                      Grandfather's experience does not translate into any sort of meaningful experience for you, it seems. Degrees really mean little; I have noticed a proliferation of degrees and certifications over the years so that it seems every ill informed person has some sort of alphabet soup following his name.
                      Money does not measure the quality of the individual nor does education mean that a person is intelligent if he is unable to apply that knowledge. It seems trying to survive in a world when you have a highschool diploma or GED would mean a higher level of adaptation to or understanding of the "real world"
                      In something of more than half a century, I have noticed that most Luddites or "Know-Nothings" generally have a college degree due to legacy points or a familial donation to the campus athletic fund and are usually very affluent, having inherited a modest trust fund or family business.  Generally, I find these people exemplify the "born on third, thinking they hit a triple" crowd.
                      My observation of the straw man of $12K a year and high school degree as a terminal degree to be unhelpful as most of the people stereotyped by this are too busy earning a living to waste time typing away on a computer.    

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        and a large amount of the professionals (engineers and architects) on the job with 5+ years of college can't find their asses with both hands and a luffa.
        A college degree doesn't give you common sense, or logical thinking, just more rote learning. Analytical skills are not conveyed upon a person with a lambskin.

        Ha!  True in my experience as well.

        It's just too bad this diary is like two days old and nobody'll ever see this.....

        (Waiting to be scolded for my unnecessary use of the word 'like' as a hedge...)

      •  Oh, o.k. Then I'm assuming you of course know (0+ / 0-)

        the general guidelines by which a paper I submit for publication goes through the peer-review process. You've no doubt been designated as a referee for a doctoral candidate, so you can speak to the minutiae involved in ensuring that all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, so that one of your proteges will not have a tenure review blow up in his or her face, somewhere down the road. I'm only assuming this because you scored well on the SAT's and you make a lot of money as a welder. I, by the way, didn't actually do all that well on the SAT's, but I once helped weld the exhaust manifold back onto the bottom of a car. I guess that means welding holds no mysteries for me! :-)

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