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  •  Not every woman considers abortion a tragedy (7+ / 0-)

    Saying "Abortion is a tragedy.  Ask any woman who's had one" is just buying into the new anti-abortion meme that argues that abortion should be illegal because it destroys the mental health of women who've had abortions.  

    For some women, abortion may be a tragedy, and there is clearly no joy in the experience, but having control over your life is also empowering.  Making a choice to put off having children until you are ready, even when birth control fails, is not a tragedy.  It is a hard decision that should only be made by the person whose life it most immediately impacts.   The pregnant woman.  

    I have no doubt that I would not be the fulfilled and happy mother of three children today, if I hadn't made the decisions in the past that brought me to this point.  No one has the right to say that I should have had a child twenty years ago, when I was uneducated and unmarried, rather than waiting until I was a mature, responsible adult with a loving husband at by my side.  

    I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality. -- George Washington

    by gailfr on Mon Jan 22, 2007 at 06:50:57 AM PST

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    •  Disagree. (0+ / 0-)
      While I am obviously wrong about asking any woman, since at least one has responded above that an abortion was not a tragedy for her, I still think abortion is tragedy.  Unplanned pregnancies are a tragedy, whether they end with abortion, adoption, or somehow figuring out how to take care of the child.

      Mind you, I fully support abortion rights.  But the medical evidence is beyond doubt that either a human life or a potential human life (depending on how you define the beginning of life) is being destroyed.  That, to me, is a tragedy.

      Not all tragic events are or should be illegal (divorce is tragic, too!)  And for many, if not most, people who consider the decision, it is a very difficult one to make, regardless of the circumstances.

      I am not in any way buying into the meme that abortion should be illegal because it ruins women's mental health.  I think in many cases, there are emotional effects.  Again, we should not ban all things that have negative emotional effects.  That is what the idea of freedom of choice, in the abortion arena or elsewhere, is about.  And obviously, in some situations, there isn't a negative emotional effect.

      I still hold to my position:  safe, legal, and rare.

      That's Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid to you, Mr. Bush.

      by DC Pol Sci on Mon Jan 22, 2007 at 09:36:49 AM PST

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      •  Then, please, call abortion a tragedy only (0+ / 0-)

        in the privacy of your own mind, not out in public. Stick to "safe, legal, and rare' if you're out where other people can find it and quote you. You know, in a way, we are all ambassadors of Kos - just posting here, we're creating the possibility that somewhere, sometime, a crazed conservative may write "And even over on dkos, that hotbed of liberal insanity, some of them admit that ...".

        Oh - and btw - I had an abortion in my first semester of law school, right after final exams. No regrets at all. It was physically painful, though ... might encourage others to be a little more careful about their birth control if thy're all like that.

        •  You see... (0+ / 0-)

          I'm one of those who thinks that diversity of opinion actually differentiates us from the folks on the other side and makes us stronger.

          I am not saying abortion should be banned because it traumatizes women.  Even if it does traumatize a woman, that's a choice she makes.  People choose to join the Army and go to Iraq.  That's sure as hell traumatic.  We don't ban the Army.

          I agree completely with the thesis of this thread and with the vast majority of posters.  Abortion should be legal; restrictions should be minimal and designed to regulate things like clinic hygiene.  I don't support any of the restrictions that states have put into place.  I think minors should be able to get abortions without parental consent or notification.

          My only point is that this issue is a complex one.  It's not as simple as "we're right; they're wrong; that settles it."

          For me, however, despite all of that complexity, the argument that carries the day is that you can't end abortion; you can only make it unsafe by criminalizing it.  Thus, even if you think abortion is murder, you are not ending it by criminalizing it; you are simply pushing it into back alleys where the woman's life is in jeopardy.

          That's not to say I don't agree with all of the other arguments that support a woman's right to choose.  I am a feminist and fully support a woman's right to choose.  However, I think by ignoring the opposition's arguments and pushing the choice angle to the exclusion of all others, we do not do ourselves a favor.

          That's Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid to you, Mr. Bush.

          by DC Pol Sci on Mon Jan 22, 2007 at 06:25:17 PM PST

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