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  •  Who said freethinkers can't be 'spiritual'? (0+ / 0-)

    "At the same time, there is bunches and bunches of stuff that just can not be explained away "rationally", and proved to any degree to my satisfaction. Where science loses the trail, spirituality picks it up."

    Ah - it seems like you're just afraid/reluctant to say "I don't know". It's true that, even using reason and logic, we are unable to explain everything (or even most things). Why can't you just accept that, without turning to religious or "spiritual" (whatever you mean by that) beliefs to plug the gaps? (That is not an accusatory question, by the way - I'm genuinely curious).

    •  I don't know... (0+ / 0-)

      is where religion began. Yup, all of em.
      Any honest religion hasn't gotten very far from it's beginnings.
      Believing that there is something "more" than what we can absolutely prove seems to be important to the human animal. It is to me.
      My point is that there is no harm intrinsic to finding comfort in that belief. The devil, they say, is in the details. Without dogma, without a power structure, and organization, whatever harmful potential might have existed is greatly minimized, if not eliminated completely.
      I don't know is where science gets it start too.
      And any sufficiently honest science hasn't gotten very far from that either.

      Any hypothesis or theory (scientific or spiritual) is only workable until proven wrong, or until no longer supported by observation.
      Until then, isn't one just as good as the other?

      TFYQA - think For Yourself, Question Authority

      by Niniane on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 12:49:34 PM PST

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      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        "My point is that there is no harm intrinsic to finding comfort in that belief. The devil, they say, is in the details. Without dogma, without a power structure, and organization, whatever harmful potential might have existed is greatly minimized, if not eliminated completely.
        "

        There may be no direct harm caused, but the intellectually lazy attitude of just putting everything down to a big creator in the sky would do immense damage in the long run, because it would hold back technological and scientific discovery.

        In any event, regardless of harm caused, there is also the small matter of whether a belief is true or not. That is what science is concerned with.

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