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  •  I think you missed an important distinction. (3+ / 0-)
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    hestal, elie, heathlander

    Nobody is trying to tell the catholic church what to do in operating its churches. It's when it involves itself in activities that are inherently not part of its function as a church.

    The real question here is should Catholic Charities, an entity separate from the church, be allowed to discriminate on any basis where secular social service providers cannot? This is the issue in the US with the Salvation Army. It is a fundie church, but it also operates many social service programs. But it wants to receive public money and still discriminate in hiring and in who it provides services to based on religion and orientation.

    Taking away for a moment the issue of public funding, should Catholic Charities be allowed to discriminate in employment and placement based on religion? If so, why? If not, they they should not be able to discriminate based on orientation.

    Here in the US, Catholic Charities (in some dioceses) was more pragmatic, agreeing to offer domestic partner benefits, not discriminating in services and I think even placing some kids in gay homes. But then the church started clamping down and now Catholic Charities is going to get out of the adoption business in MA.

    I say give them a year or two to transition out of the adoption business. Let them continue to discriminate while other agencies take up the slack. Adoption is not a component of being a church.

    And remember, it is their bigotry that is potentially going to harm children that need adoption--not the law that prohibits discrimination. Let's be clear about where that responsibility belongs.

    Blessed are the arrogant...for they shall be really impressed with themselves.

    by homogenius on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 12:43:48 PM PST

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    •  i agree (2+ / 0-)
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      and i am a practicing catholic.  

      if the catholic church stops providing adoption services in the UK, other agencies, religious and otherwise, will eventually step in to take their place.  but they should not be allowed to provide adoptions in violation of british law.

      i do not believe the the government should make any exeption for the church.  It is the government's job to regulate adoption services.  either they comply with those regulations or they do not.

      if the church gives up its adoption services in the UK (and elsewhere), well then the church is going to have to live with themselves and take it up with god.  i think they will find that they are on the wrong side.

      but then again im not god....

      •  Thanks. In all fairness... (1+ / 0-)
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        I have heard many stories of compassionate, caring assistance and good work done by Catholic Charities, including employees who have tried to do so without discrimination or putting people down. But I have also heard about the dioceses increasingly imposing dogmatic restrictions. The same appears to be happening with the Salvation Army here in the US--the church side of SA is imposing doctrinal requirements on the social services side which is receiving federal funds!

        Blessed are the arrogant...for they shall be really impressed with themselves.

        by homogenius on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 03:54:08 PM PST

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