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  •  Amazing (0+ / 0-)

    Kentucky and Missouri more dem than CA.

    •  Not that amazing if you leave here. (3+ / 0-)
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      Four of the past 6 governors have been Republican (including Reagan). And one of the Dems was recalled.

      California is not all Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Drive east from the coast a few miles and it's indistinguishable from Idaho. Most people don't know this, but the biggest contributor to our economy is AGRICULTURE! (Not movies. Not technology. Not tourism. Not San Francisco values). And California is the biggest agricultural producer in the country.

      SURPRISE!

      This affirms the argument that CA be moved up in the primary calendar. We have a more diverse and representative economy as well as a more diverse and representative population.
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      by KingOneEye on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 02:16:33 PM PST

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      •  who said "California is just like (2+ / 0-)
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        the rest of the country, only more so"

        I lived in OAkland for a decade plus and was always amazed when some wingnut proposition passed 60/40 and I couldnt find a soul who voted for it.

      •  As of Oct 2006 (1+ / 0-)
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        Dems hold an 8.2% Voter Registration advantage, with Declined to State at 18.7% and Other as 4.5%.

        And most certainly the Central Valley,Northwest Gold Country & Riverside, Orange and San Diego Counties are hotbeds of red (with pockets of blue such as Palm Springs, Santa Ana and City of San Diego).
        The Bay Area, esp. Silicon Valley through Santa Cruz has turned much bluer in the last 20 years, especially Palo Alto-Mountain View and City of Santa Cruz.

        "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama

        by Predictor on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 11:54:23 PM PST

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      •  The price to pay for moving the primary date up (0+ / 0-)

        may include the following Proposals/Propositions tacked on as a trade-off:

        1. Redistricting a la Arnie.
        1. Relaxing Term Limits.
        1. Anti-Rent Control Proposition
        1. Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment

        I don't see this as a fair trade or good deal nor do I see why the Democratic Party needs to bargin with Arnie over this. Arnie has his own benefits/Agenda for having an early Primary for his own Party. There is no need to give Arnie more ground even if it is agreed that the Early Primary is a good idea.

        "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama

        by Predictor on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 12:03:36 AM PST

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        •  Rent Control? Gay Marriage? (0+ / 0-)

          That's the first I've heard of these as bargaining chips.

          As for redistricting and relaxing term limits, I'm for 'em. Term limits has done nothing but entrench lobbyists in Sacramento and saddle us with inexperienced legislators who become dependent on those lobbyists.

          Arnold's most recent redistricting plan, while not perfect, is far better than the one he tried to force through as an initiative. If that's the starting point, I think we can have a good consensus bill.

          But you're right - if Rent Control or Gay Marriage is stuffed into the mix, it's DOA.

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          by KingOneEye on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 09:41:31 AM PST

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          •  Unless all 50 States and the Supreme Ct (0+ / 0-)

            get on line with Non-Partisan Redistricting, I'm not for CA giving up its Democratic edge. I am okay with relaxing term linits given the problems it has engendered.
            Here's some more info about the possible tie-ins to Arnie's proposal:

            http://www.calitics.com/...

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            by Predictor on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 12:33:12 PM PST

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    •  Well, Kentucky has (1+ / 0-)
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      a lot of conservative Dems like its neighbor WV.

      Mizzou is a swing state so shouldn't be too surprising.

    •  Missouri GOP (2+ / 0-)
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      runs all 3 branches of state govt, just like with the Federal govt (prior to this year anyway). And just like the national GOP, the MO bastards Republicans don't govern terribly well. Gov Blunt's ratings are roughly equivalent to Bush's. I'm pretty sure Jay Nixon is going to be the next Gov in 2008.

      It still is surprising that MO has swung that far; the Hate Amendment passed 70-30 just two years ago....

      Dreams of empire die hard; empire, that goes away quickly.--Juan Cole

      by nota bene on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 06:04:11 PM PST

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      •  it matters very little who actually runs Illinois (1+ / 0-)
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        there are so many corrupt pols on boths sides, that some recently indicted bribers turned out to be equal opportunity bribers.

        when bloggo was elected governator, we controlled all three branches, but to no avail. Bloggo began to argue with his dad-in-law, who then told the truth about sonny in law, and unfortunately, our state has been dismally served by one of our wors governors in history. Except for the GOP candidates who would actually be worse.

        In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

        by agnostic on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 06:12:58 PM PST

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        •  IL politics (2+ / 0-)
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          is not for the faint of heart, for sure. Once Fitzgerald gets done shredding the White House, hopefully he can go back to Chicago and bag some more corruptees.

          It could always be worse, though....think of the words "Governor Keyes"....bwahahaha.....

          Dreams of empire die hard; empire, that goes away quickly.--Juan Cole

          by nota bene on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 06:16:58 PM PST

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          •  shame on you. I had a scotch in my hand (1+ / 0-)
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            For those who do not know,
            ALAN KEYES is a ultra-reicht-wing catholic, anti-female, anti-constitutional, anti-pretty much everything, former candidate for governor. He replaced a man who won the GOP primary, but was pushed out because he wanted to have sex with his wife, (who happened to be 7 of 9 of Star Trek fame) in a sex club in New York.  The Ill-GOP sickies pushed him out, and found and promoted Keyes, who managed to set everyone's teeth on edge, causing Bloggo to win hands-down. Even longstanding GOP oldsters hated Keyes. The gay thing with his daughter was a mirror image of Cheney and his soon to be mommy daughter.

            Unfortunately, Bloggo began to believe himself to be presidential caliber, and even now, facing several indictments for bribery and fraud himself in the next few months, still has a presidential campaign fund group working hard.

            Actually, Illinois politics are so sick, so complex, so filled with indictments and crime, that even if the Bears lose, we will be entertained for years to come.

            In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

            by agnostic on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 06:26:57 PM PST

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            •  sorry about the scotch (1+ / 0-)
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              I figured that'd get a reaction.... ;)

              Blagojevich thinks he's running for President? WTF? I hadn't heard that. Has anyone bothered to tell him that there's another guy running for Prez from his own state that's a bit more, er, electable?

              Dreams of empire die hard; empire, that goes away quickly.--Juan Cole

              by nota bene on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 06:32:40 PM PST

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            •  To boldy come where no man has come before? (1+ / 0-)
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              ... pushed out because he wanted to have sex with his wife, (who happened to be 7 of 9 of Star Trek fame) in a sex club in New York.

              Insane. Any straight man who would NOT want to do Jeri needs to be removed from politics... and checked for a pulse.

              Last summer when I was in Chicago, the big story was Mayor Daley's "He's bald! That's silly!" rant. It's no wonder Obama has risen so quickly to his current position - every other politician in the state seems to be insane.

      •  actually (0+ / 0-)

        Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder about those #s for MO--McCaskill only won 50-47, and now MO is sitting at 55-37? I find that hard to believe.

        Either 1) the numbers are just off (but it's Gallup), 2) the famed GOP 48-hr juju really is that good, and we were lucky to beat it (maybe, but I think it was overrated), or 3) there really has been a ~15 point swing in MO in the last three months (not very likely).

        Hmmm....will be interesting to look at some other MO #s done by other firms....

        Dreams of empire die hard; empire, that goes away quickly.--Juan Cole

        by nota bene on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 06:27:07 PM PST

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        •  part of that is due to surge and (0+ / 0-)

          the recent MSM awakenings about just how fucked up this administration is.

          In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

          by agnostic on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 06:30:18 PM PST

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          •  yeah, but what's the rest? (2+ / 0-)
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            50-47 = 3 point advantage
            55-37 = 18.

            That's 15 points in three months, five points a month. That's an awful lot. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems to me there's more to the story than that. Maybe I'm just cynical after six years of inescapable dumbness.

            For comparison's sake....

            SUSA MO Senate
            Bond 53-38
            McCaskill 50-40

            MO Gov
            Blunt 37-57

            MO Pres ratings
            Bush 37-60

            For all 3 polls, party ID is listed as 29R-39D-25I, MoE 4.1%, taken 1/12-1/14 (600 adults).

            So I'm not sure if that tells us much, because Gallup was pushing leaners and SUSA evidently isn't....if we take SUSA's 25% I and split that in the same proportion (39-29), we get 57-36 (leaving 7% undecided, I guess), which is pretty close to the Gallup #s.

            So maybe Gallup's right, there has been a huge swing here. Maybe it's just Bond's numbers that are confusing me, or the disconnect I'm seeing between Bond's and Claire's. Blunt and Bush are right about where I expected them to be, and they line up pretty well with the party #s. But the Senator ratings, not so much.

            Dreams of empire die hard; empire, that goes away quickly.--Juan Cole

            by nota bene on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 06:47:37 PM PST

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