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  •  I realize this is a serious issue, (3+ / 0-)
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    but I didn't know they had turkeys in ENgland. I could not find for the life of me a turkey sandwich in London.

    ... we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew... (-dash888)

    by Tirge Caps on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 07:40:07 PM PST

    •  Much longer than you think (0+ / 0-)

      Turkeys were sold in England very soon after the discovery of North America and there was a large industry in East Anglia, the region where this outbreak occurred. In fact the Pilgrim Fathers took turkeys with them and those originally eaten at Thanksgiving were probably the English domestic breed rather than the wild North American type. The first were introduced in the 1520s and soon became popular.

      According to Thomas Tusser's 1570 Five Hundred Points of Good Husbandry, turkey meat was now part and parcel of England's Christmas celebrations, at least for the well off. Such was the demand, that farmers from Norfolk, eighty or more miles distant, would drive their thousand-strong turkey flocks to market in London on foot, reportedly creating the first traffic jams on the streets of the English capital. According to local legend, each turkey wore custom-made leather booties to protect its feet on the long march south to the slaughter. It sounds too cute to be true.

      By 1541 eating turkey was so popular that when Thomas Cranmer, the Church of England's top archbishop, introduced a sumptuary law to restrict the consumption of meat dishes by his underlings, turkey was on the hit list. He said "of the greater fishes or fowles, there should be but one in a dish, as crane, swan, turkeycocke, haddocke, pyke, tench."

      In fact the very name comes from England as the first birds were sold by foreign, eastern, salesmen and they were thought to come from Turkey.

      Kneejerk reactions do not come from knees.

      by londonbear on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 11:18:37 PM PST

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      •  I'd sure have liked to have known where those (0+ / 0-)

        turkeys were last summer.

        ... we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew... (-dash888)

        by Tirge Caps on Sun Feb 04, 2007 at 12:01:27 AM PST

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        •  Bad reputation (0+ / 0-)

          The largest sales of birds are over Christmas and to a lesser extent Easter. The rest of the time Bernard Matthews (the very large company involved in the outbreak) market manufactured products. The icon of bad school dinners is the "turkey twizzler" which is a reconstituted shaped meat from turkeys and it gave the meat a bad name. Apart from cold luncheon meats made from turkey, their largest sales are formed "roasts" and burger type foods.

          Kneejerk reactions do not come from knees.

          by londonbear on Sun Feb 04, 2007 at 12:07:43 AM PST

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