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  •  Voter identification unreasonable?? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't see what's so bad about having to show an ID to vote.  That's pretty basic way to keep elections fair and honest it would seem to me.  We do it in all elections where I come from.

    •  Well its that it wasn't legal. (1+ / 0-)
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      The poll officials were told to do the IDs a certain way and the republicans said that everyone needed to show IDs which wasn't what the legal procedure was.

      Then the judge ruled the republicans were wrong.
      Then the republicans told their poll people to ignore a court order... which has no legal precedence...

      I no longer have a parent blog to link to. So... yeah.

      by MrMacMan on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 07:15:21 PM PST

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      •  to be clear (1+ / 0-)
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        you do not need to show ID to vote in New York, and it is considered voter suppression to ask everyone who comes in to vote to show ID

        the Republicans wanted to challenge everyone to show an ID, but since that is illegal in NY their claim in court was they didn't need to tell poll workers that voters don't need to show ID because the poll workers should already know the law

        the Republicans never disputed that people do not need to show ID to vote, even though they also said that they planned to ask people to show ID to vote

      •  Which is why they must be investigated, (0+ / 0-)

        prosecuted, and if found guilty, thrown in jail and given a BIG FINE.

        -6.5, -7.59. All good that a person does to another returns three fold in this life; harm is also returned three fold.

        by DrWolfy on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 04:41:18 AM PST

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    •  The problem is... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...let's say you forgot your ID, and you live 30 miles from a polling place.  Or it's on your way home and you don't have it on you.  Do you go home, go back, show it, and vote?  Or do you just not care and say, "what the heck?"

      Also, it also depresses the senior and minority votes as these two groups are statistically less likely to have major forms of photo ID (drivers licenses).

      •  Also students and transient people (2+ / 0-)
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        who tend to be poorer because they might not have an ID with a current address. In Ohio this was eventually ruled unnecessary and that drivers' licenses with old addresses would be accepted. Unfortunately this also did not filter down to every polling place, and many people in certain areas (depending on poll workers' interpretation) were forced onto provisional ballots which didn't always count (again, depending on where you were).

        At the polling place i was observing, everyone as far as I could tell showed up with ID. Of course, in the heavily urban areas, you'll never have a 30-mile distance to a polling place. My polling place where I vote for instance, is three sides of a city block so no one walks more than a quarter mile. And most of the elderly voters live in the building with the polling place.

        A new beginning for Ohio: The adults have taken over!

        by anastasia p on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 08:54:24 PM PST

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    •  That's incorrect (0+ / 0-)
      To have this be true, you would have to assume  that there was a lack of fairness and honesty due to unregistered or unqualified voters voting in significant numbers. This just hasn't proved to be true. The Ohio League of Women Voters found FOUR verified cases of VOTER fraud in the decade preceding the Republicans' passage of HB 3 a year ago, the law that required ID. It was passed to solve a problem that didn't exist, and in the process, opened up the possibility that hundreds or even thousands of people who WERE valid voters could be disenfrancised.

      Virtually no state has had ID laws since the end of Jim Crow and it hasn't created VOTER fraud. What we've seen in fraud in the system or ELECTION fraud, which isn't a factor of IDs.

      A new beginning for Ohio: The adults have taken over!

      by anastasia p on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 08:50:26 PM PST

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      •  How do you know? (0+ / 0-)

        Your point's appreciated but how was it ever checked in Ohio?  In Alabama the probate judges used to get $5 (I guess from the State) for every name on the voter lists.  Some county voter lists had more names that the county had population.  I think we need to be very stringent to avoid harrassment or undue complications but when you consider all the other times/places/circumstances where you have to give ID's or suffer other delays and inconveniences, voter id doesn't seem that big a deal. (The whole context of this specific situation might be an exception if I knew more detail than was provided-- The Court order should be obeyed because the judge may have known somthing that has not been presented here.)  

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