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  •  depends on how narrow the definition is (3+ / 0-)
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    tzt, RN2GO, blueoasis

    I think ideals and political philosophy are related to elections.

    Bookies are not the only people working in election oriented politics.

    •  They are related but not directly (1+ / 0-)
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      I really, really just don't understand why people are having such a hard time with this.  The blogs there are local and state blogs covering local and state races.  This kind of thing is critically important for electoral victory in 08 because it is exactly what gave us the edge in some races this year.

      He stated the reasons for his decision and that's that.

      If people from those other blogs want to maintain visibility they should continue to post here and list their blogs.  People will be drawn because of their writing, not because of some blogroll links.

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      by Raven Brooks on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 12:07:22 PM PST

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      •  my comments about the blogroll issue (1+ / 0-)
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        are not based on the people that click them... but on the fact that google looks at such links to generate search results, kos lowered the search ranking of every blog he delisted.

        still his call, but this site has become a hub, kos doesn't want it to be a general purpose hub for the left, some message are not hygenic enough to his standards, and I disagree, especially since in 2003 his war views were anathema to the Democratic rhetoric... so why now is it supposed to be good that it conforms to the Democratic party and wants to be an organ of the party.

        kos' ownership over some web servers doesn't not mean he is the final word on these as issues, even though he's the final word on the blogroll and any other decision with his property, the servers.

        •  Sites can evolve, can't they? (1+ / 0-)
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          I keep seeing this argument that Markos can't do this because he did x, y, z in the past or said a, b or c in the past.

          Blogs evolve, and being a long time reader of DK it is clear to me that DK is evolving as well.

          Markos has stated both with words and actions that he wants to focus on electoral politics, partiularly on building up state and local blogospheres.

          I personally agree with that and have seen the power of it.

          And regarding the Google ranking argument, those same people could get even better rankings if they'd take the time to post over here regularly and link back to their sites.  As I've said over and over again that is more valuable traffic anyway than some blog roll.

          People that have spun off blogs and been successful like MSOC and Booman have been successful not because they had a link on a blog roll but because they built up an audience and a reputation and they took the time to continue to build it here even after they spun off.

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          by Raven Brooks on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 01:18:19 PM PST

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          •  if you have 6000 people involved daily (1+ / 0-)
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            and you "evolve" what it is they are spending their time on.

            it's pretty natural to get feedback of all sorts.

            but you are right about the solutions, and everyone will make do.

            But kos has severed his links, symbolic of the whole effort to rid the "netroots" of sanctimonious women's studies set et alia

            but I'm not lamenting as much as it may seem, I'm describing.

            Call it what it is, or, at least, what it seems to be.

            Your points on the way things are also seem apt.

            •  Oh now that's just BS (1+ / 0-)
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              "But kos has severed his links, symbolic of the whole effort to rid the "netroots" of sanctimonious women's studies set et alia"

              Now this is just BS, this is that same line MSOC was using yesterday to suggest that markos' decision was sexist.

              Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense considering that several of the front pagers are female and the site has close ties with FDL (also started by women).

              It doesn't fly as an argument.

              Now if you want to open the whole MSOC thing again fine, but I was speaking in general terms.

              And in general terms a blog roll is not nearly the big deal people are making it out to be by these endless meta fights.

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              by Raven Brooks on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 02:10:02 PM PST

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              •  no, not just sexist (0+ / 0-)

                he is a libertarian oriented guy.

                it's not the women's part I was emphasizing, but the traditional liberalism which doesn't suit him.

                Another example is his finding pacifists that want to visualize world peace laughable.  He thinks marching your protest in the street is passe and obsolete.

                He likes to distance himself from these things, but "these things" are people that are already here. I criticize increasing the chasms between us in our coalition.

                I will SAY the decision is sexist if that's what I mean.

                I used an example where kos makes CENTRIST overatures and rejects progressive activists.

                •  I think you are misinterpreting things (0+ / 0-)

                  With respect to this specific decision, he is enabling activists to take political power back in their own districts.

                  Let's take a blog like Calitics.  For the CA democratic party to pull their head out and for us to get real reform in CA we need a strong blogosphere there.  That means supporting blogs like that and even more so supporting blogs that blog a specific district because they connect the netroots to the grassroots.  A good example here is blogs like Say No to Pombo which were instrumental in helping to elect a Dem in that district.

                  There is no fault with blogs like MLW, Booman or any of the ones listed here but they don't do that kind of work.

                  It goes back to the stated goal of this site, bringing about electoral victory for democrats.

                  I've been here several years and that theme has always been clear to me, if it isn't clear to others how can you blame the site owner for that?

                  And again I can't underscore enough that if people at these purged blogs would cross post then I'm sure their traffic would not suffer and in fact it would increase.  I used to read MLW and I still do like MSOC's writing but when the last 5 or so posts she's written have been nothing more than bitching about Markos or this site that's a turn off.  I started reading her early on because of her writing, not because of some blogroll.

                  This whole argument about this somehow hurting other blogs is completely bogus and unfounded.

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                  by Raven Brooks on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 03:23:48 PM PST

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