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  •  yeah I did misinterpret (0+ / 0-)

    Its just that it bugs me that at this site, there were a contingency of people who seemed to equate election integrity stuff with  "stolen elections"

    I got to meet brad friedman the other night, and I talked to him about this issue.

    yeah, geeks and idealists. and some idealist geeks.
    to care about election integrity, you need to care more about fairness than winning.

    is your friend an idealist.

    the victory has been as [Bush] promised: a swift liberation of a grateful Iraqi people, no terrorist outbreak, and no explosion of Arab rage. - D Horowitz -4/03

    by biscobosco on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:19:57 PM PST

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    •  I hadn't (1+ / 0-)
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      ever thought of her that way, but I guess yeah, she's an idealist. Not that she's unaware of the amount of sausage-making that goes on, but I think she believes that fairness promotes winning, and to some extent, so do I.

      It's easier to think that way when you live in a one-party, deep-blue area, as we do. Our local political problems revolve around corruption much more than ideological differences, so any clean election here would be a victory for us.

      The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

      by sidnora on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 02:16:41 PM PST

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      •  fairness promotes winning (1+ / 0-)
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        I'll drink to that!

        That's my kind of thinking. I am an idealist geek. yeah I know about rodent hair, but still I'm gonna be on the side of making sure everyone gets to vote.

        yeah, even  if it means a democrat loses. democrats have been known to steal votes on occasion as well :)
        Though lately republicans seem to have the edge.

        the victory has been as [Bush] promised: a swift liberation of a grateful Iraqi people, no terrorist outbreak, and no explosion of Arab rage. - D Horowitz -4/03

        by biscobosco on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 11:24:22 PM PST

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        •  democrats have been known to steal votes (1+ / 0-)
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          around here, for sure!

          As I said, it's easy for me to take this position, since where I live Democrats almost always win. But that's all the more reason, IMO, for me to be a strong election-protection advocate; there's really no ideological downside to it, and there's tons of local-corruption-fighting upside.

          The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

          by sidnora on Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 08:16:10 AM PST

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          •  just had another thought (1+ / 0-)
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            I wanted to send your way. - cause I love the idea that "fairness promotes winning".  But truthfully it aint always the case.

            But this is true I think:

            Fair election systems allow for wins by honest candidates.

            and

            Unfair election systems promote wins by dishonest, or corrupt candidates

            It is connected to "clean elections" (eliminating the influence of big money in elections).

            I also think that fair election systems help promote the will of the people actually getting heard.

            the victory has been as [Bush] promised: a swift liberation of a grateful Iraqi people, no terrorist outbreak, and no explosion of Arab rage. - D Horowitz -4/03

            by biscobosco on Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 01:39:34 PM PST

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