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  •  What "door" are you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

    Racism has been a sad part of this country for an extremely long time. We didn't "open the door" to racism - and many of us have worked damn hard to slam it closed.

    •  This door isn't racism... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...this door is the sad process of people attempting to define what "genuine" membership in a minority means.  The slur here isn't that Obama is black, it is that he is not "genuine" black.  

      It is the "keeping it real" of political discourse.  And it is as laughable as the "keeping it real" of every other subject of conversation.

      The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

      by Jay Elias on Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 08:14:48 PM PST

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      •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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        Fair enough. But debates about "genuine" membership have been going on a long time in the black community and others.

      •  On the contrary (0+ / 0-)

        I think we can only benefit from attempts to define what "genuine" membership in a minority means.  I believe it will lead us face to face with the reality that there are no such neatly packaged categories.  As a "black" friend of mine laments, "People don't believe me when I tell them there is no such thing as color."  Maybe some day they will.

      •  From What I Understand This Has Not Been A White (1+ / 0-)
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        Kimberley

        vs black discussion but more of a discussion within the black community. IIRC it has more to do with lack of shared experiences, fear of lack of understanding and/or dedication to the community than with skin color.

        •  Last week (1+ / 0-)
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          Debra Dickerson, columnist from Salon, appeared on Colbert to announce that Obama is not "black," in American political context. I guess he can only understand the "Black Experience" intellectually. All right.

          I'm not black and I'll leave that tortured argument to the experts. But the whole time I was watching her, I kept thinking about the famous words delivered by Aaron, from Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus:

          He dies upon my scimitar's sharp point
          That touches this my first-born son and heir!
          I tell you, younglings, not Enceladus,
          With all his threatening band of Typhon's brood,
          Nor great Alcides, nor the god of war,
          Shall seize this prey out of his father's hands.
          What, what, ye sanguine, shallow-hearted boys!
          Ye white-limed walls! ye alehouse painted signs!
          Coal-black is better than another hue,
          In that it scorns to bear another hue;
          For all the water in the ocean
          Can never turn the swan's black legs to white,
          Although she lave them hourly in the flood.
          Tell the empress from me, I am of age
          To keep mine own, excuse it how she can.

          Time flies, whether you're having fun or not.

          by Kimberley on Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 09:23:00 PM PST

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          •  Too sad, I can't grasp (0+ / 0-)

            what this paragraph means to say. I try to find a German translation of it though.

            "False language, evil in itself, infects the soul with evil." ----Socrates

            by mimi on Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 05:00:44 AM PST

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