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  •  Why it is peculiar (1+ / 0-)
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    AlphaLiberal

    I don't blame you for getting a little snippy with AlphaLiberal, as he/she got snippy with you -- And if you had said "all I am discussing is uppity"" I'd have had no quarrel. It when you said that is all "we" are discussing that I disagreed.  I took the "we" to extend to this whole discussion, prompted by MissLaura's post.

    Here's what I find peculiar:

    My 11 year old went into a bookstore and was angrered to find bookselves marked "Books For Girls" and "Books For Boys" and she wrote a letter and mobilized her school friends for a protest.  The bookstore took down the display before she had a chance to protest.  She was mightily disappointed. Why? Because her deepest feelings weren't about correcting a wrong, but rather a desire to find something about which to be outraged, and about which to protest.

    I think this is the same.  A Salon editor, not the author, uses "uppity" to describe the young Obama, and Salon, very quickly changes the word when people point out its offensiveness.  If like me you think the world is full of mistakes and those that correct them deserve praise, then to insist on the outrage seems "peculiar."  This is why I think the article is the question to be considered, and the word "uppity" the misdirection.

    Obviously you fell differently.

    •  I'm Not Peculiar (0+ / 0-)

      No, it is not my responsibility to head off every strawman that you or another person wants to invent to argue with. All I mentioned in my brief message was the front page slur. Therefore, the subject is the front page slur. It's not Obama's 2000 run ins with the article author, nor is it whether Obama is "black enough", or any number of other subjects I did not mention.

      In the decades since I've been 11 years old, I've learned that racist "mistakes" like that one aren't remedied by merely erasing them on the website. That kind of reaction once the pressure is on, without explicitly recognizing the mistake, is a coverup. And evidence that it will happen again.

      I wonder how many times your daughter will have to go into a bookstore with arbitrarily gender-segregated books before the confrontations that actually do materialize change things.

      BTW, I find it peculiar that even though you can tell that I dislike being insulted, that the best example you can use to make your point is to describe me as a petulant little girl.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 07:17:40 PM PST

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      •  My turn to be offended (0+ / 0-)

        I find your post incredibly offensive.  

        1. I never said you were peculiar -- I said I found it peculiar to write an e-mail complaining that an offensive word had been changed.  You asked why that was peculiar. I told you why. Any reasonable person could tell the difference.
        1. I made the mistake of not realizing that the ONLY thing allowed to be written about in this subthread was the word "uppity" and not the article it described -- although why that rule aplies to your sub-thread, but you aren't bound to talk about the whole subject adrresed by the original post is beyond me.  If you had said up front that you set the rules as to what is allowed to be discussed, I might not have gone so astray.  Sorry to have been uppity.
        1. Maybe you have to be a parent to understand that when a parent draws an example from their daughter they love, it is not meant to be an insult.  You are the one inventing insults, and your inability to fairly read the posts here calls into question any judgment you make about Salon articles or anything else. (You know of course, that Salon ediotrs have used the word uppity in a variety of contexts, mostly having no possible connnection to race.)
        1. My daughter wrote a letter and actually changed something -- that was the point you were TOO TERRIBLY OFFENDED to understand.
        1. You are perhaps the least gonzo person I've come across in a long while.

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