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  •  "As an Orthodox Jew" (12+ / 0-)

    I reject the way you've set this up: there is no obligation or implication inherent in being an Orthodox Jew that leads to or requires him to support this war.  It's a political decision.

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by Dana Houle on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 11:45:40 AM PST

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    •  He doesn't work on a Sabbath because of his faith (2+ / 0-)
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      therefore doing so today is in furtherance of his Orthodox Judaism and not political. Sorry. As the diary properly states he does not attend political events on a Sabbath so clearly this was not political event for him my friend.

      •  First, There's No Evidence You're My Friend (5+ / 0-)

        Second, it was a political event.  You seem to have drawn the exact opposite conclusion that what I posited, that his politics shape his religious practices.  

        But whatever, your belief that it's all an orthodox Jewish cabal probably makes it easier for you to make sense of a complicated world.

        The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

        by Dana Houle on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 11:57:14 AM PST

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        •  Orthodox Judaism (1+ / 0-)
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          Fundamentalist Christianity

          Wahhabist Islam.

          It's all the same shit and it's all bad shit that has nothing to do with democratic values and everything to do with theocratic authoritarianism.

        •  His religious allegiance shapes his politics. (1+ / 0-)
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          Orthodox Jews believe Israel must be defended at all cost.  That's well and good for israel.  But, it may not be in our best interest to support something Israel is in favor of doing.  Lie-berman supports the Iraq war, and will strongly support an Iran war, because he thinks American domination will secure Isreal's peace.  We do not believe that these wars are in our best interest.  Neither do his constituants who, admittedly, aren't sure what they support.  Since they voted Lamont, first, it's safe to assume that they don't believe Iraq is in our interest.  Joe's religion is, therefore, influencing his politics.  His politics are supposed to reflect the will of people in Connecticut, not Israel.
          It's necessary to define a Semite because that's a popular tag to descredit anyone who disagrees with Jewish affairs.  It is fair to state your credentials.  

          Even if there was some sort of Jewish concept of jihad, this is not a religious war...and Jews are only involved to the extent that there are Jews in the U.S. military.

          Not so.  The outcome of this entire conflict affects Israel.  To think that they are not following it closely, involved to some degree, and attempting strategic advantage from it is naive.  And some of us believe that this is a religious war.  We don't really know what it's about but I find it hard to believe it's about money, first.  I think it's about religion, and money, for us.  For Israel, it's about security.  
          Now, I'm a guy who thinks that it's the Arabs who have created, and are creating, most of the problems between them and Israel.  So don't think I'm just being anti-Jewish.  I have Jewish blood, for Christ's sake (ha ha).        

          "Have you ever danced with the Devil in the pale moonlight?" - The Joker

          by rainmanjr on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 06:37:43 PM PST

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      •  I don't understand... (0+ / 0-)

        ...how working today, in violation of his Orthodox Jewish faith, is a furtherance of his faith.

        And enough of the anti-Semite nonsense. I hear this crap from bigots all the time, and I still don't understand what the point is. It doesn't matter if Arabs are Semites too. It doesn't matter if the term was anti-Human, it still wouldn't be okay to be anti-Jewish. Or anti-Arab. It's bigotry no matter what name you stick on it.

        Second, where do you get this "obligation in furtherance of Judaism"? There is no reasonable interpretation of Jewish law that I can think of that would obligate him to be involved. Even if there was some sort of Jewish concept of jihad, this is not a religious war (the Iraqi civil war is, but that's another story), and Jews are only involved to the extent that there are Jews in the U.S. military.

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