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  •  this would be remotely interesting (4+ / 0-)
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    Luetta, boofdah, curtadams, cpresley

    if it were fact based.  link to something.  anything.  

    i know you're still head over heels against TM, but i don't think you have evolved your single issue train of thought since the campaign to oust him.  these are different times. sen. clinton is nothing if not brilliant, and her strategic partnership to the man who got the DNC out of the red and in position to outraise our foes for the first time in history does not mean she will boot dean and the 50 state strategy as some kind of wicked anti-patronage.  if you can prove any different, then link or straight to the halls of hot air for you.

    my guess is that if she gets the democratic nod and ends up our first female president, she will unite mcauliffe's fundraising prowess and dean's "no stone unturned" strategy to usher in a reign of blue tinted logical rule in this country the likes that has not been dreamed since FDR.

    i can't link to supporting evidence of that either, but at least my hot air does not smell like it just left a sphincter.  :)

    "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

    by Back in the Cave on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 11:02:03 AM PST

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    •  Time will tell (5+ / 0-)

      I think we're in a war for control over the Democratic Party, and the Clintons are at the head of the insider faction.

      February 15: Pitchers and catchers report.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 11:08:25 AM PST

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      •  I think we're in a war with Royalist Republicans (5+ / 0-)
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        Any interparty fight pales in comparison.

        •  To everything there is a season. (3+ / 0-)

          Primary season is the time for interparty fights.  Don't make the mistake of moving to a general election mode now.  This is the time the parties sort out internal differences.

          Plus, the Insider Democrats may have more in common with Republicans than they have with people powered party Democrats.  

          •  there is truth in that (4+ / 0-)
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            but it is not that simple.  that was a simple truth in days gone by, but politics and strategy are nothing but layer upon layer of static variables.

            our reputation right now is of impotent, bickering infighters.  we just won an election and took back both the senate and the house.  we were given that in order we lead our country out of the bush nightmare.  unfortunately for us, the presidential election started immediately, and that, in addition to the fact that bush still leads by decree have prevented us from nailing down our legacy.

            this is not the time for a generic inparty rumble.  

            not the time.  

            this needs to be the most civil and united primary in the democratic party's history. there is NO OTHER WAY if we wish to maintain the peoples' trust.  we cannot afford to be baited by markos and the other self-perceived giant killers who only maintain their own relevance by creating an evil and keeping a steady beat of the war drums.  how different is that crap than how bush runs our foreign policy?

            "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

            by Back in the Cave on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 11:45:09 AM PST

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            •  ACTIVE variables :) (0+ / 0-)

              me typey to fasty.

              "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

              by Back in the Cave on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 11:47:32 AM PST

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            •  If not now, when? (1+ / 0-)
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              First off, I and many others who post here are working our tails off to create an infrastructure that will help Democratic candidates win in the future.  From Dogcatcher to President, I want Democrats who run to be able to win.  It is totally unrealistic to expect that we will do this work and not voice an opinion on the direction of the party or the eventual presidential nominee.  

              Speaking personally, my motivation for building the Democratic party from the grassroots up is that I want more and better candidates to vote for.  That does not come from being "civil and united" before the primary, especially if those are code words that really mean "sit down, shut up and stay in your place."  I'm speaking my mind now and I'll get behind the nominee later, as I suspect most of us will.

              Secondly, I disagree with this statement

              our reputation right now is of impotent, bickering infighters

              What looks like bickering from the outside is actually a healthy, robust exchange of ideas, and I just don't get the impotent part at all.  Feel free to inform me.

              •  we haven't been able to copulate (0+ / 0-)

                in seven years and have had to live off republican table scraps.  impotent to stop insane judicial nominations or batshit crazy signing statements.  we haven't been able to introduce legislation, and even with both houses blue with hope, we are still working on non-binding resolutions to poke at troop surges.

                like it or not, the public does not yet see the big S under our shirt.  we're only here because we aren't republicans.  that's it.  we have a long way to go and pettiness - even perceived - is our kryptonite.

                i am not bitching, only reading the country's EKG strip and offering an obvious diagnosis and therapy.  

                i recommend healthy, robust exchange of ideas, but bullshit top-down hit pieces and baa-baa chatter about non-issue is not productive and is only robust in its obsessive persistence.

                you very much should work your ass off from the precinct captain level all the way through your county party on up unite the divides and pave the way for well meaning citizens to play their part in the system.  i sure as hell do.  that's where the real people power is.  but, throwing feces on dirty laundry and rubbing it in the face of the public does not come across as anything but juvenile bickering.  

                keep it civil and just like the rules of posts on this site are supposed to be observed, none of the ad hominem "coronation" bullshit rovian attacks or the endless chatter blaming anyone on our fucking side of being responsible for the goddamn bush mess.

                except lieberman.  but, he's not democratic, nor is he running.  fire away at that schmuck all day.

                "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

                by Back in the Cave on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 01:44:24 PM PST

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      •  i think it just seems like that. (4+ / 0-)
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        just after finally being given our due recognition after a hard fought midterm battle, we were only able to experience a very short calm before another anticipated storm that we're all damn ready to fight.  one that i believe will not materialize to absorb our clenched fists.  once the whole block is blue, i believe that no matter who is in the white house, we are in for as good a times as can be possible while repairing our soul from this vietnam rehash at the same time our infrastructure is in shambles, peak oil is about to become more than just an ominous shadow, and with HN51 looming over our children's beds.

        time will tell.  you will not see me disparage one of our candidates, and i welcome any explanation of their actions that i do not know or understand.  after two terms of bush, the candidates worthy of even seeking support of our party get every benefit of the doubt.  i will be elatedly happy in my naked tribal victory dance with whomever we support in the general.  i have already contributed generously to the DNC and as soon as it is clear that all the contenders are in, i will contribute equally to each - not because i am completely neutral - that is impossible - but because i think that each should be able to get their message across to those in our party.

        the criticism being aimed at the anti-clinton bandwagon that has developed here is that people look to this site to be the most objective progressive voice in the country. wingnuts take their orders from the top down.  we're supposed to have steady trigger fingers.  and, we're supposed to be aiming at redcoats, not starting civil wars.  i think markos is either hiding something in the hand behind his back or is disappointingly foolish in pitting himself and this site against ms. clinton and a plurality of citizens with Ds on their registrations.

        if this turns into a civil war, it will be the biggest disaster for the democratic party that it has ever seen.  people are electing us to lead like adults in the vacuum of sanity that has been left by this criminal cabal.  if we turn out to be just a bunch of fucking idiot children on a playground pushing each other for first dibs in the lunch line, we be losing our last best chance to save this country and the world, IMO.  republicans will regroup and we will not be given another chance.  they will have evolved again into something untouchable.

        "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

        by Back in the Cave on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 11:36:47 AM PST

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