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  •  Because they don't know of options (0+ / 0-)

    that are available to them. I went and lived in an intentional community for a year to stop the bleeding and save some. Or find a coop living situation. Many people in this minimum wage circle are not the type of people one wants to have for a roomate. Too often they smoke or worse to dull the pain. Then no one will take a chance.

    And if friends let you sleep on a sofa why in the fuck wouldn't they feed you. That's so typically American I can't stand it.

    I had a friend in that situation who slept on my window seat. Someone had given her a box of chocolates which she left in a place that my dog got to and ate a bunch of chocolates. She was so furious when she found out that she kicked my dog. Right then and there I said pack up and get out. I have never seen her again.

    Very talented, smart and certainly should have known that a dog is never going to refuse temptation.

    •  Heh (3+ / 0-)

      And if friends let you sleep on a sofa why in the fuck wouldn't they feed you. That's so typically American I can't stand it.

      They couldn't afford food either. They barely made rent on their crappy incomes. It's usually the poor who help the poor, and I was grateful to not be sleeping again in my car.

      I went and lived in an intentional community for a year to stop the bleeding and save some. Or find a coop living situation.

      I think where we disagree, largely, is that most people simply don't have access to these kinds of temporary solutions. There aren't a lot of true coop living situations around, and most people who do these kinds of work are already living with at least one or two roommates to get by.

      Many people in this minimum wage circle are not the type of people one wants to have for a roomate.

      Depends. Most already do have roommates, in my experience. They still barely make it, because rent is obscene. And the working class does disproportionately smoke and drink heavily -- I still do both -- but when you're barely making a living, it's pretty understandable IMO that you're going to take little pleasures where you can get them.

      •  There are literally thousands (0+ / 0-)

        of intentional communities and coops. If you don't know about them then find out about them.

        The rationalizations for drinking and smoking won't cut it. Smokers are becoming pariahs in enlightened areas, which is where you want to be. I agree with you that the poor help the poor. But if you don't have money there are food banks, utility subsidies, food stamps so make use of them.

        When I was sleeping on sofas I finally decided to check out senior living complexes. I got a great apartment with wall to wall carpeting, nice kitchen with all appliances and spic and span clean. All utilities including heat and air were included. Because of my income it cost me $18 a month. I mean you can't even get a storage room for that. If I made more for two months I was to report it and my rent would be adjusted. I would do a study, get some money for a month then take off for a month, then on again and so forth.

        Yes you are only supposed to get those subsidized goodies if you are down and out. But they are structured in such a way as to stop you from getting up and walking by yourself, so you have to fudge it so you can.

        And if you want to stop smoking see my how to diary on that subject. Really as long as someone smokes and has problems they are not going to go away. Nicotine is a greatly underestimated drug and nicotine addicts have symptoms that are predictable and destructive. It can't be helped until you stop.

        •  So when and where are these people (3+ / 0-)
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          supposed to "find out about them"?  I think you miss the part about many people are at work when the libraries are open....and the food banks, and the utility office and the seperate human services office that issues food stamps.  

          I applied for medicaid and WIC(Women Infants and Children) when I was pregnant with my first child(early 90's) and it took me a whole day. I'm sure I had to beg someone to switch shifts because if I couldn't that money lost would have meant the rent check would have bounced. There was the 45 minute bus ride, follwed by the several blocks walk to the office, followed by the time in the waiting room, follwed by the initial paper work, follwed by the interview with the case worker.  Later, to recieve the monthly WIC vouchers for food I had to pick them up in person(another bus ride, waiting room ect) and fill out more paper work. I stopped receiving these after a few months because I couldn't spare the time.

          I think you got lucky with your senior living/cheap rent place.

          Does satan wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

          by strengthof10kmen on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:21:44 PM PST

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          •  It's different in rural areas (0+ / 0-)

            You just walk in the office and since there are never very many people there it gets done quickly. I remember it being as you said in Philly. Endless bureaucracy.

            And yet many rural people just don't seem to know how to do it. They think you are not working and so have the time to sit and wait and come back and come back. The difficult part in rural areas is that you have to drive 30 miles to get there and there is no public transportation.

            When I lived in the county seat I could walk there. But here no one tells you or offers the info that you could get help with payments.

            For example when you get parking tickets that amount to a lot of money you can file for pauper status so you don't have to pay.

            Libraries are open at night. Food banks are not but I would call them, explain why I couldn't come in at their times and ask if someone else could pick up my food for me. You can get another person on your food stamp card to help you. It requires some manuvering but once you are in the system it gets easier. Also if you are on food stamps then it automatically qualifies you for all sorts of other benefits wihrout going through the endless application forms and paper work and waiting.

            But in some areas it is possible to do this and get some relief.  It is also why you get that endless mantra in school to study now so you can have a good job later on in life. But the education system is so irrelevant to their needs that they can't find any meaning in it.

            I chose not to have children as I didn't want to get caught in the trap. Once you have children they have you by the throat.

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