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  •  Not sure if this is right (1+ / 0-)
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    Jerome a Paris

    First of all, I'm not sure how many crops there are that don't displace food production. Farmers will grow whatever they can sell, weather and soil quality allowing. Ethanol is a poor fuel (it's a big deal now because ADM can see big $$$ in exploiting it) but biodiesel is not.

    Vegetarianism might be a red herring, but dramatically lower meat consumption is not. 90% of the corn grown goes to feed livestock. If you wanted to relieve the pressure on corn prices that would be the very first place you'd look, rationally.

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    by oldjohnbrown on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 09:09:15 AM PST

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    •  If we lived rationally, there would be NO BUSH (2+ / 0-)
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      Jerome a Paris, oldjohnbrown

      Will the US ever realize the consequences of the huge blunders of Bush and Cheney?

      Hard to say, I still see a lot of gas-wasting SUVs cruising around with one or two passengers.

      You are exactly right with your analysis about corn- most of it is fed to hogs and cattle.  Cows don't process it well- thus the deadly strains of e coli.  But hey, ADM is making huge profits, that's what they want.

      When food is truly in short supply we'll all be vegetarians, the math is simple:  Would you rather eat ten pounds of grain or one pound of beef?  Not to mention the huge water costs and enormous pollution caused by hogs and cattle. How many of the pork lovers live next to a hog farm?  It's not a pretty sight.

    •  Cows weren't designed for grain feeding (4+ / 0-)

      I luv beef, but I've gotten into ranch raised (grass fed) beef - for lots of reasons including that cow's stomachs weren't designed for corn or wheat and it either makes them sick or they have to be fed antibiotics to keep them well.

      So, the huge amounts of corn that go into cattle feed-lot eating can and should be diminished rapidly.  Then the price of beef will be a true cost of steak-on-your-plate, and the quantities bought will adjust as necessary (and therefore people's consumption.)

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      by JimPortlandOR on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 12:09:42 PM PST

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      •  I have the luxury of a nearby Amish community (0+ / 0-)

        I get my meat from them. No chemicals, no shrink wrap, no corn or wheat feeds, no hormones, no "factory farms."

        Yes, I do pay for it. Truth be told, the way a lot of people out here buy meat is by getting a chest freezer and buying half a cow (bulk savings, don't ya know!). That makes the good stuff affordable. Otherwise, I've gotten used to $7-$15/lb for beef, and adjusted accordingly.

        The meat's worth it. I wish everyone lived within 30 miles of an Amish community. :-)

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        by oldjohnbrown on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 04:35:46 PM PST

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