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  •  Non-sustainable needs government welfare. (2+ / 0-)
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    KumarP, Justus

    By definition, it would not survive unless the "free market" were altered in its favor.

    How's that for a sensible, economic-based contention?!

    •  Yeah (1+ / 0-)
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      people always say that renewables won't survive without subsidies, but that's just because what by all rights SHOULD be the little-used ALTERNATIVE, i.e., non-renewable fuels, are subsidized beyond belief.

      Idea:No Blood 4 Oil Action:I use Biodiesel site blog

      by KumarP on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 01:14:17 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, example, electric cars.. (1+ / 0-)
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        How many people really would buy them -- if they were available -- so much for the "free market."

        Would the suburbs have grown so much without the government building highways -- subsidizing roads for cars rather than high speed trains?  

        Would certain "hub" cities have grown without government subsidies for airports?  And, look at what the "free market" has done to airlines.  Are they sustainable with the business models that were used to create them?

        How many people would chose a different cable company -- if given a choice rather than a monopoly.

        Look how many people chose organic when that option becomes available!  And, as more people buy, economies of scale really will lower costs.

        (I like using economic arguments -- pro-good-business, when possible.)

        •  Take it back in history (0+ / 0-)

          It was the gov't that subsidized the building of canals and railroads. It was the gov't. that subsidized the settlers known as "homesteaders" with cheap and even free land. Where would this country be today if the "free" market had had to rely soley on private capital?

          Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

          by drewfromct on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 02:35:58 PM PST

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        •  Have you seen 'Who Killed the Electric Car'? (0+ / 0-)

          It wasn't lack of demand. Watch that movie.

          Idea:No Blood 4 Oil Action:I use Biodiesel site blog

          by KumarP on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 02:41:18 PM PST

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    •  reasonable (3+ / 0-)

      if one includes all the externalized costs / subsidies.

      Gas would cost a lot more than $2.95/gallon at the pump if the price of military involvement in the Middle East were figured in.

      Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

      by alizard on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 01:32:57 PM PST

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    •  the problem with that (1+ / 0-)
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      Our global population is itself probably unsustainable.  I'm terrified of the prospect of a future where literally billions of people must starve or die in brutal wars to bring us down to a sustainable population.

      I guess anyone can be a winner if their definition of victory is flexible enough.
      -The DM of the Rings

      by Leggy Starlitz on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 03:36:39 PM PST

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