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  •  wtf? lame attempt to shovel annoying meme. (0+ / 0-)

    whatever ipod coolness is supposd to be.  Dunno about the hybrid vehicles and so forth but the ipod itself is pure marketing hype, a vendor lock-in product full of DRM garbage and planned obsolescence.  Is "ipod cool" supposed to mean "this will get you succumb to corporate hypnotism and suppress any critical sense you might have"?  

    The diary's repetition of the phrase confuses me, I can't tell whether it's a lame attempt to associate those other products with the perceived (but bogus) coolness of the ipod, or an attempt to promote the actual ipod.  Either way, it's crap, lose the stupid phrase if there's some other worthwhile content in the diary that you want to communicate.

    Anyway, DKos diaries are not for advertising.  You are welcome to place advertisements on DKos but you are supposed to pay for them.

    •  Actually ... (5+ / 0-)

      I am not trying to advertise ... Note my activity related to energy issues ... such as Energize America ... and, the links within the introduction discussion to recent diaries re (for example of discussions) solar/wind power combo and green architecture.  Those diaries sparked a lot of discussion / interaction.

      My focus/attention, as per intro, is principally re energy / Global Warming.  As part of that, I bump into a lot of things that I, for one, find really cool.

      The "iPod Cool" which you find confusing and call "crap" is an attempt to 'brand' discussions related to those interesting (nay, exciting -- at least to me) developments that I bump into that I choose to take the time to diary for discussions.

      Obviously that branding approach totally failed with you ... and pissed you off ... and, well, ... not sure where to go with it.

      As per what I wrote at the end:

      By its nature, the iPod Cool diaries will, as per the above, sound like boosterism.  Just trying to spark dialogues about interesting things going on in the energy arena that can help shape the path foward to a sustainable and prosperous energy future.

      By the nature of bumping into things when doing general research/reading/such re energy issues, the ability to post discussions like this will frequently emerge because a company is developing a technology or putting it out.  The VentureOne is unique, basically, as is the MiniCat.  Both offer real opportunity for change.  

      Check out my diaries, if you wish, to see the extent to which I'm focusing re Energy.

      And, if "the" thing that pisses you off is "iPod Cool" ... well, perhaps it is branding problem. See what others have to say.

      Blogging regularly at Ecotality Blog for a Sustainable Future.

      by A Siegel on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 01:48:42 PM PST

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      •  i don't know what ventureone or a minicat is (0+ / 0-)

        and wHen i wanT tO school, caPiTaL letterS Were UsEd At thE beGinninG
        of seNteNces and of people'S Names, not in thE middle of words.  Anything written with all those mixed-case product names looks like it was written by an adVeRtisiNg AgEnt and is an immediate turn-off.  That marketroid approach drowns out anything else the article is supposed to say.

        It looks like the article is about a 3-wheel hybrid electric vehicle and a compressed air vehicle--ok, fine, those are interesting devices; but it's way too long on fluff, and IMO the article would be far better if written in a neutral, factual, hype-free and branding-free way.

        •  We'll agree to 'disagree' ... (4+ / 0-)
          1. Several diaries reflecting excitement at some tech/such that I'd bumped into generated excitement/interest in others. This is an attempt to start a regular discussion like that.  And, I find developments exciting. If the tone pisses you off ... well ...
          1.  The petty crap about capitalization ... I think that you're nailing me about stuff that is all 'branding' of a company's products. As much as it might piss you off, that is a version of a proper noun.  And, it doesn't bother me to cite the "VentureOne" in the same way that I might write "Mustang" for the Ford Mustang.
          1.  This is not "an article". I write/publish plenty of those.  
          1.  Re your last sentence ... when writing for Energize America or such, you won't get any 'branding' or 'hype' ... but, that ain't what this is about ...

          Blogging regularly at Ecotality Blog for a Sustainable Future.

          by A Siegel on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 02:22:30 PM PST

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          •  I didn't say the vehicles were unexciting (1+ / 0-)
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            But if they are exciting, the relevant facts about them should be enough to convey the excitement in their own right.  If necessary, it's fine to add some explanation of why the facts are exciting (i.e. by comparing with other vehicles etc) but that explanation should also be unhyped.

            The main problem I had with the article (or diary or whatever you want to call it) was the endless repetition of the phrase "ipod cool", which I saw as a manipulative attempt to insert that meme into reader consciousness through cheap propaganda techniques.  That is annoying as hell.  Re VentureOne, Mustang, etc--sometimes one can't avoid mentioning a brand name and that by itself is not a problem.  But having too many per sentence causes concerns about the content.  And when there's so many of those mixed-case ones, it makes the affected sentences stand out like a sore thumb.

            •  dude (2+ / 0-)
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              Are you serious?

              I know you've been around here like forever, but I'm surprised at the heat in your comments. It seems like a harmless comparison to me, since the iPods are marketed as "cool" and I think they're marketed well. Getting all brown bag on this stuff:

              ...the relevant facts about them should be enough to convey the excitement in their own right.

              is the wrong way to go I think. Isn't this, like, uh, almost NEVER true?? Candidates have to market themselves. You can't just send someone 300 pages of specs and expect them to get excited...at least not most people.

              •   Look at some Grand Moff Texan posts (0+ / 0-)

                to see how a master does what you're describing :).

                There's a big difference between 300 pages of specs, and explaining what something does factually in a way that makes the importance clear.

                Mainly though, my vitriol was about the "ipod cool" thing.   It was just a huge turn-off, not just because of its association with the ipod but also because of its repetitiveness, and the doubly bogus nature of the message.  1) It was an attempt to hijack the ipod's popularity by associating it with totally unrelated products; 2) the ipod "coolness" itself is itself a corporate advertising artifact, and that led off on that somewhat tangential rant about ipods.

                •  I have read GMT. (3+ / 0-)

                  And I disagree with your premise.

                  Yeah, the guy's a literary genius. IMO, anyway. But he's pushing - or emoting, take your pick - a whole other bag o' tricks. It's essentially comparing apples and oranges.

                  Man, I don't own an ipod and I have no plans to do so in any imaginable future. But I do have a healthy respect for the fact that a huuuge segment of the population continues to purchase this product; if a vehicle which can actually reduce greenhouse gases could be that popular among the US population can be successfully marketed, well I'm all for it!

                  DailyKos isn't just about preaching to the choir, my friend. It's about inspiring others to want to make the changes we espouse.  Whether that be by encouraging them to vote with their wallets (actblue) or by encouraging research into new products (witness this diary) or by voting for democratic canditates who espouse these very ideals... we are a varied group.

                  I'm sorry if you don't agree with the gimmick the diarist chose to highight some fantastic new green products. I'm just glad they caught my eye, since I'm looking to combine my need for new transportation in the next 1 and a 1/2 years, and my need to help save the planet.

                  Canadians: We love our pot so much that when we run out, we send the army to find more!

                  by KiaRioGrl79 on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 07:39:29 PM PST

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            •  Wow. (2+ / 0-)
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              I agree that there are instances where marketing and corporate group-think tend to infiltrate when it comes to publication in the US... but I think the diarist has long-since proved his alliegance to environmentally-friendly innovations in the transportation sector in the US, and he maybe just thought that a product which (let's face it) many consumers think is cool would be eye-catching.

              Is this any different than the various STFU or GBCW diaries we've seen a zillion times on dKos?

              I can apppreciate your argument about the validity of branding... but to argue against mixed caps? It seems to be very off-topic to the merits of the diary.

              Canadians: We love our pot so much that when we run out, we send the army to find more!

              by KiaRioGrl79 on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 07:26:36 PM PST

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      •  My experience (6+ / 0-)

        Mention Apple in a diary, and you get people jumping out to tell you that Apple is awful and everyone that buys their products is a fool.  Oh, and several of them accused me of being on Apple's payroll.

        This happened to me twice in diaries where I explicitly said I didn't own an Apple product.

        I don't know what makes people have such a weird reaction to bits of plastic and metal, but the anti-Apple crowd can out-virulence the folks in the I/P diaries.

        •  Anyone notice this company is Frainch... (3+ / 0-)
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          Le midi...Like so many of the new developments in the low carbon lifestyle.

          I read recently that EU is SO far ahead of us here where we're still fighting to get that eeevolushun sciance taught in our Godless schools, that EU is sprinting ahead...its a real Sputnik moment, but no one gets it.

          By the time the oceans take Manhattan it will be over with...

          by dotcommodity on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 03:21:35 PM PST

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    •  Hate to break it to you, but iPods are cool. (4+ / 0-)

      They look good, they work well, the interface is easy to use, but most importantly... all the cool kids have one.

      •  Ignore it, A Siegel... (5+ / 0-)

        ... this always happens, as I say below... on cue.

        You are doing great work, don't let this derail your diary or your plan for a series.

      •  the kool kidz also (0+ / 0-)

        voted for Bush.  So the last reason to like something is because it's what the damn conformist groupthink kool kidz idiots are buying into.

        Speaking of interfaces, one obvious one is the USB mass storage interface (just plug it into any computer and it looks like a hard drive), and the ipod does NOT support it, because they want to make you use itunes instead.  More and more car stereos have USB connectors on their front panels so you can plug a portable player in and control it from the in-dash receiver--just as long as your portable player didn't do the stupid thing the Ipod did.  That makes the ipod uncool all by itself.  (Yeah, there's also car stereos with dedicated ipod connectors--more vendor lock-in.  Face it, portable music players are (or should be) commodity devices like cassette players, and all this lock-in stuff is desperate attempts by vendors to keep the benefit of that standardization away from consumers.

        Screw the ipod, and screw branding, just stick with the unspun and unbranded facts.

    •  I was waiting for the obligatory... (3+ / 0-)
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      ... complaint of "you're just shilling for Apple" comment... heh. [eyeroll goes here] You entered right on cue!

      A Siegel, you're doing just fine, and a belated congrats for getting Congress to include you all in developing legislation.

      •  Thank you for the congrats ... (5+ / 0-)

        And, it is weird ... perhaps I am simply caught in that Corporate culture ... or that I simply like Macs (although I don't have an iPod ... so someone can give me one to go along with that VentureOne ...) ... but I hadn't even considered the 'shill' aspect related to Apple. (Certainly re VentureOne and the MiniCat ... but, they are cool developments, whether or not these specific companies, with these specific products make it big in the market space.)

        Blogging regularly at Ecotality Blog for a Sustainable Future.

        by A Siegel on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 01:53:00 PM PST

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        •  This seems to be primarily Apple-centric... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... some people have this knee-jerk reaction to anything Apple-like. Not just here at dKos, although here you see the "anti-corporate warrior, holier-than-thou" argument added to the mix.

          Ah well, you are doing fine, I always read your diaries if I catch them.

          I hope to catch the EA 2020 panel at YK this year, I missed the energy panel last year, it ended up being scheduled concurrently with the Plame panel. So my hubby did the energy panel, and I went to the Plame one .

          •  i think the macintosh is a nice computer (0+ / 0-)

            yeah its cult following squicks me a little bit, but I'd certainly recommend one over windows.  The ipod is a different matter.  I don't want to be a pod person.

            •  The "fanboi" types bother me too. (2+ / 0-)
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              ... they can really embarrass me, an Apple enthusiast who doesn't think all Windows users are evil incarnate.

              But you are being offensive with the conflation of people who buy iPods are people who voted for Bush above. That and "pod person" is a bit much coming from someone who doesn't like the extremism of cult-like fandom.

              iPod owners are also not evil incarnate, nor does their choice of music player dictate their political preference...

              •  there is groupthink from the left and right (0+ / 0-)

                and there is nonpolitical groupthink such as music player groupthink.  So ipod users don't especially overlap Bush voters (probably the opposite); they just (often, not always) made their music player choice using a similar process to how various dumb (but separate) political choices got made.   Groupthink is rarely a good reason to do anything.

                Craziest of all is Apple's ad campaign "Think different--join our cult!!!"

                •  You are still overgeneralizing: (2+ / 0-)
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                  So ipod users don't especially overlap Bush voters (probably the opposite); they just (often, not always) made their music player choice using a similar process to how various dumb (but separate) political choices got made.   Groupthink is rarely a good reason to do

                  Now conflating groupthink = owning an iPod... or iPod=makes dumb choices in life... you are still doing the same thing as above. Or is it really groupthink=not using what you are using? Sorry, that Bush comparison really bothered me... circular firing squad stuff.

                  You are not going to let go of the iPod-evil meme.... that's okay.

                  I do thank you for commenting politely though, thank you.

                  •  buying an ipod because you like ipods = ok (0+ / 0-)

                    They do have some nice features, not enough to outweigh their limitations in my opinion, but everyone's priorities and preferences are different.

                    Buying an ipod because that's what the kewl kidz are buying, without regard to the quality of the ipod itself = groupthink.

                    Do you understand the difference?

                    •  Sure, I understand the difference. (0+ / 0-)

                      I also understand that is not what you were saying, in various degrees with each successive comment, but I am glad to see you recognize this difference.

                      This goes for any advertised product BTW, not just iPods.

                      Have you seen the new Britney-branded scissors being sold in an "As Seen on TV" informercial?

                      [Actually, that is just a joke, although I expect to see that reported here any time now. Thank goodness I don't watch network TV...]

      •  my free shilling: (4+ / 0-)

        is for this incroyable wind turbineCanadian Dutch company that you've seen Adam.

        ...However they dont answer my email or I cant figure out how to call the Canadian phone number from the US...but somewhere I saw prices that would amount to this wind turbine for $1,700 for a homeowner!

        Bigger ones for communities.

        By the time the oceans take Manhattan it will be over with...

        by dotcommodity on Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 03:27:44 PM PST

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