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  •  I love immigration, but what is this (20+ / 0-)

    guy doing coming here from Mumbai and saying Republicans should kill me?

    It seems to me that one of the first rules of immigration ought to be that you shouldn't move to a country and tell one group of residents to go kill another group.

    Also: it sounds as if D'Souza Republicans would be nongovernmental violent organization. As far as I'm concerned, a nongovernmental violent organization is, by definition, a terrorist group.

    Anyhow, the publisher of this book is Doubleday. I think we should be asking Doubleday some tough questions about why it's publishing a book that calls for violence against many of the same people who read the company's other books.

    •  He's the 2nd coming of Ayn Rand (3+ / 0-)
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      Both lead to nausea and then the heaves.

      No Blood for Oil... Stop Bush/Cheney Before They Get Us All Killed

      by skywriter on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 10:28:03 AM PST

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      •  That's an insult to Ayn Rand. (4+ / 0-)
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        At least her books are fun to read.

        (Seriously -- comparing this wackjob to Ms. Rand is an insult to Ms. Rand.  He's in a class of wingnuttery all his own.)

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        by Mehitabel9 on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 10:30:14 AM PST

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        •  I've never read Rand. Does she promote (2+ / 0-)
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          violence against people who disagree with her protagonists?

          I disagree with D'Souza's general arguments, but I think it's fine if someone makes them. What I object to is the implicit call for violence.

          •  Nope. (3+ / 0-)
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            I've read pretty much all her stuff and (except for the fact that her heroines tend to be into a bit of rough sex at the hands of her oh-so-manly heros) she's not an advocate of violence.

            The premise of Atlas Shrugged is a great example of non-violence in action, as a matter of fact.  In that book, those she calls "the men of the mind" go on strike.  They simply drop out and disappear, and as a result, over a period of years, the nation's economy and infrastructure basically collapses.  

            It's a fascinating read.  While I don't advocate for all, or even most, of Ayn Rand's ideas, I will say this much -- she writes a helluva novel.  It's big OTT melodrama, plus it makes you think.  Great stuff.

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            by Mehitabel9 on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 11:23:13 AM PST

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          •  Not At All (0+ / 0-)
            ve never read Rand. Does she promote violence against people who disagree with her protagonists?

            Nope -- if anything, she was an advocate of "passive resistance" (the premise of "Atlas Shrugged" is that the productive just up and quit when the burden of supporting the nonproductive gets too wearisome). She also had little patience for the notion that Americans ought to accomodate foreigners who were offended by America (she pretty much dismissed such reactions as born of jealousy of our success and resentment of how it accentuated their failures, and frankly she had a good point vis-a-vis people like Islamic Fundamentalists).

            Disagree as much as you like with her ideas about how society ought to run (I'm sure pretty much everybody here does), but equating her with D'Souza (a jackbooted thug against his enemies at home; a craven appeaser against the enemies of civilization abroad) is simply libelous.

        •  A little off topic... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...though I thoroughly agree that Dinesh is an especially nasty peice of work, in a class by himself in fact.

          The problem with all the right wingers loving Ayn Rand is that whatever else her characters were--greedy, egomaniacs, etc--they were impeccably HONEST. If someone wanted to implement her "philosophy," they would have to live up to that same level of honesty.

          Draw your own conclusions.....

          Tax the churches. Tax the businesses OWNED by the churches--Frank Zappa 10-30-1981

          by SherwoodB on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 12:19:17 PM PST

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    •  Immigration (5+ / 0-)

      There are an abundance of immigrant Americans who have achieved senior statesman status because of their deep love and respect for our system and understanding of its concepts and history.

      For example, Zbigniew Brzezinski or Madeleine Albright.

      Even if you look at people with less gravitas -- like Arianna Huffington -- there is no mistake that immigrants have the capacity to understand our system and to love it and revere it.

      This guy, on the other hand, seems totally clueless.  He really doesn't understand what this country is about.  Perhaps part of it stems from the fact that he came from elsewhere.  If this is so, double the shame on him for not succeeding in grasping the essential qualities of the American system.

      I recommended your comment. And then I un-recommended it.

      by bink on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 10:41:12 AM PST

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    •  It's called '2nd level migrant syndrome'. (7+ / 0-)

      It's what happens when a group of migrants become 'accepted' after years of no being so. Rather than say "I'll never do what they did to me", the usual path is that the now accepted migrants are the first ones to attack the new crop.

      In Australia, Italians were villified in the 60's, but once they established roots, it was the Greeks in the 70's. Then the Lebanese, then the Turks, then Asians, and now it's Muslims.

      And in every case, the last group to escape villification was the first group to villify the next minority that walked in the door.

      Michelle Malkin: Perfect example of this. She'll ignore her own heritage and yell that we should put Muslims in camps, like we did to the Japanese, without the slightest hint of regret that what she's saying ignores the fact that, if not for the grace of god, her own family might have ended up in a similar camp.

      The old adage says it best: there's nothing worse than a convert.

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      by HollywoodOz on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 10:55:57 AM PST

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