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  •  He's the 2nd coming of Ayn Rand (3+ / 0-)
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    Both lead to nausea and then the heaves.

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    by skywriter on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 10:28:03 AM PST

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    •  That's an insult to Ayn Rand. (4+ / 0-)
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      At least her books are fun to read.

      (Seriously -- comparing this wackjob to Ms. Rand is an insult to Ms. Rand.  He's in a class of wingnuttery all his own.)

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      by Mehitabel9 on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 10:30:14 AM PST

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      •  I've never read Rand. Does she promote (2+ / 0-)
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        violence against people who disagree with her protagonists?

        I disagree with D'Souza's general arguments, but I think it's fine if someone makes them. What I object to is the implicit call for violence.

        •  Nope. (3+ / 0-)
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          I've read pretty much all her stuff and (except for the fact that her heroines tend to be into a bit of rough sex at the hands of her oh-so-manly heros) she's not an advocate of violence.

          The premise of Atlas Shrugged is a great example of non-violence in action, as a matter of fact.  In that book, those she calls "the men of the mind" go on strike.  They simply drop out and disappear, and as a result, over a period of years, the nation's economy and infrastructure basically collapses.  

          It's a fascinating read.  While I don't advocate for all, or even most, of Ayn Rand's ideas, I will say this much -- she writes a helluva novel.  It's big OTT melodrama, plus it makes you think.  Great stuff.

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          by Mehitabel9 on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 11:23:13 AM PST

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        •  Not At All (0+ / 0-)
          ve never read Rand. Does she promote violence against people who disagree with her protagonists?

          Nope -- if anything, she was an advocate of "passive resistance" (the premise of "Atlas Shrugged" is that the productive just up and quit when the burden of supporting the nonproductive gets too wearisome). She also had little patience for the notion that Americans ought to accomodate foreigners who were offended by America (she pretty much dismissed such reactions as born of jealousy of our success and resentment of how it accentuated their failures, and frankly she had a good point vis-a-vis people like Islamic Fundamentalists).

          Disagree as much as you like with her ideas about how society ought to run (I'm sure pretty much everybody here does), but equating her with D'Souza (a jackbooted thug against his enemies at home; a craven appeaser against the enemies of civilization abroad) is simply libelous.

      •  A little off topic... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...though I thoroughly agree that Dinesh is an especially nasty peice of work, in a class by himself in fact.

        The problem with all the right wingers loving Ayn Rand is that whatever else her characters were--greedy, egomaniacs, etc--they were impeccably HONEST. If someone wanted to implement her "philosophy," they would have to live up to that same level of honesty.

        Draw your own conclusions.....

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        by SherwoodB on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 12:19:17 PM PST

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        •  I should be more specific: (0+ / 0-)

          her HEROES and HEROINES were impeccably honest.

          Tax the churches. Tax the businesses OWNED by the churches--Frank Zappa 10-30-1981

          by SherwoodB on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 12:29:34 PM PST

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