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  •  please step away from the keyboard (10+ / 0-)

    take a walk. get some fresh air. have a drink if you like, maybe get laid or something.

    just chill, yo.

    "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

    It's time: the albany project low UID's going fast!

    by lipris on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 09:54:13 AM PST

    •  anti-war peeps have a right to be frustrated, no? (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think revolution is the answer to our current problem, but being frustrated with the Dems is hardly unreasonable.

      If you are interested in the politics of Proviso Township in Cook County, Illinois, visit Proviso Probe.

      by Carl Nyberg on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:07:31 AM PST

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      •  unreasonable? certainly not. (1+ / 0-)
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        count me in the frustrated camp as well. extremely so. but now is not the time to freak the fuck out. shit like this does nothing to end the war and most likely makes it more difficult.

        "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

        It's time: the albany project low UID's going fast!

        by lipris on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:28:53 AM PST

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        •  Dems need to fear anti-war people bolting (0+ / 0-)

          the party's coalition.

          As long as Republicans are getting blamed the establishment Dems want to avoid taking action that will make them responsible for much of anything.

          If you are interested in the politics of Proviso Township in Cook County, Illinois, visit Proviso Probe.

          by Carl Nyberg on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:10:46 AM PST

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      •  Yes it is ureasonable! (0+ / 0-)

        Look it is the third month that Dems have been in the majority, things will not happen instantly.

        Beyond that, the votes that they are talking about are in the Senate, were for the civics impaired, it takes 60 votes to get anything done. On issues of the war, we don't have the votes.

        Why? Because we have a 51/49 majority, with one Dem recovering from brain surgery, and Sen. Lieberman.

        Even if they all vote together, we still need 9 republican votes, and they ain’t ready to do it. It is that simple.

        If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

        by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:30:05 AM PST

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        •  on issues of funding the war, (1+ / 0-)
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          we need a one vote majority in the house. no?

          "step on the gas & wipe that tear away..." - the beatles

          by rasbobbo on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:33:47 AM PST

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          •  No, (0+ / 0-)

            All funding bills need to pass both the House and the Senate. The House gets to divide up the revenue pie, but the Senate has to concur.

            If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

            by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:40:09 AM PST

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            •  exactly my point (0+ / 0-)

              funding has to pass the house in which a simple majority rules. a one vote majority in the house can deny funding.

              "step on the gas & wipe that tear away..." - the beatles

              by rasbobbo on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:45:03 AM PST

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              •  You still have to have (0+ / 0-)

                the approval of the Senate. If we just let the funding expire it would be a total disaster for the Democratic party. We would actually be abandoning the troops while they are in the field.

                That is why the Rep. Murtha option is the best, but even there we have problems. Namely Blue Dog Dems.  

                If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

                by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:48:51 AM PST

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          •  That is correct (1+ / 0-)
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            They can even agree not not vote on anything, just let the current appropriations expire. And that will end the funding.

            Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

            by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:42:22 AM PST

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        •  I am SO tired of (2+ / 0-)
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          "We don't have the votes".

          SO FUCKING WHAT.  These things (and not Non binding resolutions) need to keep being brought up.

          You don't do the right thing because you "can", you do the right thing because IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!

          -6.5, -7.59. All good that a person does to another returns three fold in this life; harm is also returned three fold.

          by DrWolfy on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:04:57 AM PST

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          •  Then let (0+ / 0-)

            the voters decide if their Representative is truly that: a representative. He/she needs a voting record. Put up the good legislation and take a vote.  This is the only way to expose those who support this president and call themselves Democrats.

            Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

            by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:09:43 AM PST

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            •  Absolutely... (0+ / 0-)

              We are in 100% agreement on that.

              Keep bringing them up for a vote.

              Those democrats who are trying to "play nice" with the Republicans don't realize (it seems) that they are playing right into the "stall game" te Republicans are on RECORD trying to pursue.

              They are all just trying to run out the clock and some Dems are letting them by saying "We don't have the votes".

              -6.5, -7.59. All good that a person does to another returns three fold in this life; harm is also returned three fold.

              by DrWolfy on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 12:23:30 PM PST

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        •  when will the Dems accomplish something useful? (0+ / 0-)

          If you are interested in the politics of Proviso Township in Cook County, Illinois, visit Proviso Probe.

          by Carl Nyberg on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:08:34 AM PST

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          •  Nothing since 1947. (1+ / 0-)
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            Bill Moyer's 1987 PBS documentary shows what has really been done to prevent shredding of the Constitution: Nothing.

            22 min summary of the 90 min version above.

            A partial list of congressionally undeclared secret covert operations from 1946 to 1984

            Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

            by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:19:08 AM PST

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