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  •  You must (1+ / 0-)
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    Pet Wrecker

    be blind.

    •  I might be the only one that can see (0+ / 0-)

      Everybody I know watches FOX. They don't a flying rats ass about a D or an R. They vote based on how they "Perceive" a candidates strengths and weaknesses. They  don't like Hillary Clinton. They think that Edwards is a puss, pardon the language. They thought Kerry was to much like royalty.

      These are not FOX news propaganda items, these are commonplace. And are even expressed right here on dailykos.

      This is a huge signal of weakness and plays into the hands of those who are actually GOP propagandists. Propagandists who I might add, are really fucking good at what they do. As you most certainly know.

      •  And I'm sure (2+ / 0-)
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        Boris Godunov, moosely2006

        it would have played well there had been a debate feature fair-n-balanced questions such as:

        Here in the Heartland, many folks are saying your plan to retreat from the terrorists and leave the troops without any money or support is going to get more of our brave young men and women killed, and embolden those who want to destroy our great country. How do you respond to these patriots?

        And if only Fox Viewers can be treated to pre-and post-debate analysis like this (actual transcript from a Fox News hosted primary debate before the 2004 election!!!):

        TONY SNOW, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Welcome to Washington. I'm Tony Snow. You've just seen a debate by Democratic presidential candidates at Morgan State University in Baltimore, Maryland. The debate, sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and Fox News channel.

        We're going to talk about the debate for the bulk of the hour. Joining me now in Washington, our panel: Fred Barnes, executive editor of the "Weekly Standard"; Mort Kondracke, executive editor of "Roll Call"; Ceci Connolly, national correspondent for the "Washington Post," all Fox News contributors.

        Fred, impressions first. Any winners tonight?

        FRED BARNES, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, "WEEKLY STANDARD": Not really. Maybe Al Sharpton. It makes a difference when Sharpton's there. It was much livelier debate, as a result. That's for sure. He wasn't there in New Mexico last week, although Lieberman was livelier tonight than he's been before and so on.

        So, it was a zippier debate but, I think, uneventful in the outcome of the Democratic presidential fight.

        I think Democrats have one problem in these debates and that is they talk about an America, they criticize what's going on and they create a picture of an America that I think most people don't recognize, you know. It's an America where the Patriot Act is creating a police state and where, as Al Sharpton said, soldiers come home and they can't get an education, they can't get a house, you know. They can't get a job or anything like that.

        You know, there's this health care crisis that is ruining the country and we're involved in another Vietnam. And people in Florida are denied the right to vote. I don't think most Americans recognize that as the real America.

        MORT KONDRACKE, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, "ROLL CALL": Obviously, they are not appealing to the whole of America. What they are trying to do is to appeal to the Democratic primary voter. And the way that you appeal most to Democratic primary voters is to beat up on George Bush.

        I mean, practically anytime anybody asked a substantive question they had a little bit of an answer about what they would do, you know, on the subject, but the rest of it was an attack on what George Bush has not done or failed to do or lied about or et cetera, et cetera.

        And it's because the Democratic primary core voters are so enraged at George Bush that they have to -- you know, they have to feed that beast.

        And the most -- the best example of this is Joe Lieberman, who's probably the most moderate of them all and constantly is waving the bloody shirt of Florida, you know, that black voters were disenfranchised, were prevented from going to the polls in Florida, et cetera, et cetera. It's replaying the sore of the 2000 election.

        So, you know, that's what this is all about. This was not an attempt to appeal to the average voter.

        SNOW: CECI?

        CECI CONNOLLY, "WASHINGTON POST": Not a bad political strategy, necessarily, though. I mean, if you talk about -- think about it, one of these Democrats is hoping to get a big chunk of black voters out in those primaries, especially that South Carolina primary, which I think is third in the line, right after Iowa and New Hampshire.

        So I think it's understandable why you heard some of that rhetoric this evening. You heard a lot of beating up on Attorney General John Ashcroft, a lot of talk about the Patriot Act, civil rights. Although interestingly, none of them were very specific about how they'd want to change those things or what their prescriptions are for some of those problems.

        I think that it's got to be very difficult right now if you're a Democratic primary voter to make a decision between this group.

        SNOW: And one of the reasons why it was difficult, Fred, is with the exception of what one sort of exchange between Howard Dean and Joe Lieberman, nobody's taking shots at each other. At this point, it's all trying to differentiate themselves from the president rather than each other.

        BARNES: It is mainly that. There's one other example, though. Dennis Kucinich takes shots at the other candidates, particularly the ones who voted in favor of the war resolution in Congress, and that's Gephardt and Kerry in particular. Graham voted against it.

        But, you know, they generally agree. They're saying the same things, you know, and blaming Bush for all of them. At one time, I think it was Sharpton, some schools have closed in St. Louis. Sharpton said it was Bush's fault.

        KONDRACKE: I thought that the one substantively -- besides the fight between Lieberman and Dean over Israel, which we can presumably discuss some more, the other interesting substantive point tonight was on the question of whether we can win or should win the conflict in Iraq or pull out.

        And Lieberman, Dean, and Kerry all said this one way or another we have to win this or we have to succeed there, and not one of them was willing to say that he's against voting for the $87 billion that the president is asking for.

        SNOW: All right. We're going to take a quick break. When we return, Carl Cameron is going to be in Spin Alley, hearing from the various candidates and their camps. We'll bring that to you right after a short break. Stay with us

      •  Westcott... (1+ / 0-)
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        Boris Godunov

        Everybody you know watches Faux News?  

        You need some new friends.

        Nobody I know watches that crap.

        Now, answer honestly, when you look in the mirror do you see a troll?

      •  Considering (0+ / 0-)

        That Fox New's share of all American viewers is actually pretty small, I'd say your acquaintances are by no means representative of the norm.  Get new friends.

      •  All the people you know watch fox and.... (0+ / 0-)

        That is the entire point of the argument that all your posts are missing.

        Fox News foists these partisan ideas on people without their necessarily knowing it.  This is the entire reason why we want the show someplace else, so that people who don't think of themselves as Republicans don't get their heads filled with partisan lies about our candidates.

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